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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:47 am    Post subject: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
Looking for a scanner to convert my negatives to digital media.
Nothing fancy, with resolution good to show pictures on 19" PC
monitor.
Any idea how long it takes to scan one picture?
I don't want to spend more then $300.
Looking on the Web I found:

Pacific Image PrimeFilm 3610AFL 3600dpi, $ 309.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3650u, 3600dpi - $ 269.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3600u, 3600 dpi, $ 209.95
Canon Canoscan 8600F Color Image Scanner $163.99
Microtek ScanMaker i800 $299.84
Canon CanoScan 4400F Color Image Scanner $89.99

Which one you recommend?

Thanks,

Zalek
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
Epson

WHichever package fits your budget

ZalekBloom@hotmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Looking for a scanner to convert my negatives to digital media.
Nothing fancy, with resolution good to show pictures on 19" PC
monitor.
Any idea how long it takes to scan one picture?
I don't want to spend more then $300.
Looking on the Web I found:

Pacific Image PrimeFilm 3610AFL 3600dpi, $ 309.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3650u, 3600dpi - $ 269.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3600u, 3600 dpi, $ 209.95
Canon Canoscan 8600F Color Image Scanner $163.99
Microtek ScanMaker i800 $299.84
Canon CanoScan 4400F Color Image Scanner $89.99

Which one you recommend?

Thanks,

Zalek
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:59:36 -0400, ZalekBloom wrote:

Quote:
Looking for a scanner to convert my negatives to digital media.
Nothing fancy, with resolution good to show pictures on 19" PC
monitor.
Any idea how long it takes to scan one picture?
I don't want to spend more then $300.
Looking on the Web I found:

Pacific Image PrimeFilm 3610AFL 3600dpi, $ 309.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3650u, 3600dpi - $ 269.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3600u, 3600 dpi, $ 209.95
Canon Canoscan 8600F Color Image Scanner $163.99
Microtek ScanMaker i800 $299.84
Canon CanoScan 4400F Color Image Scanner $89.99

Which one you recommend?

Thanks,

Zalek

You can also find some good Epson scanners on the Epson web site -
neighborhood of $150 or less - the 4490 I have works fine.

Scanning takes a LONG time - better to have a commercial outfit do them
for you if your time is worth anything.
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David Dyer-Bennet
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
ZalekBloom@hotmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Looking for a scanner to convert my negatives to digital media.
Nothing fancy, with resolution good to show pictures on 19" PC
monitor.
Any idea how long it takes to scan one picture?

Anywhere from a couple of minutes to half an hour; not counting any
restoration or retouching that's necessary.

Quote:
I don't want to spend more then $300.
Looking on the Web I found:

Pacific Image PrimeFilm 3610AFL 3600dpi, $ 309.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3650u, 3600dpi - $ 269.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3600u, 3600 dpi, $ 209.95
Canon Canoscan 8600F Color Image Scanner $163.99
Microtek ScanMaker i800 $299.84
Canon CanoScan 4400F Color Image Scanner $89.99

Which one you recommend?

I would strongly suggest *not* considering anything that doesn't have
Digital ICE or equivalent (infrared scan channel plus software to
interpolate into damaged areas as revealed by the infrared scan channel;
it eliminates dust and hairs and scratches amazingly well).

I would not seriously consider any flatbed scanner with transparency
adapter for 35mm work.

And I would go up to the Nikon Coolscan V at $500. But I haven't used
the Pacific Image products, so I'm basing that opinion on reviews, not
direct personal experience.

Resolution isn't the issue; the issue is dmax and brightness range. At
least you're doing negatives, so the dmax issue isn't so severe.

I can't personally conceive of going to the trouble of scanning a lot of
film, and not doing TOP quality scans. It's so little more trouble; the
big cost is your time. I can so easily imagine regretting not having
done top quality work later on, possibly when it's too late to remedy.
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Dennis Pogson
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
ZalekBloom@hotmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Looking for a scanner to convert my negatives to digital media.
Nothing fancy, with resolution good to show pictures on 19" PC
monitor.
Any idea how long it takes to scan one picture?
I don't want to spend more then $300.
Looking on the Web I found:

Pacific Image PrimeFilm 3610AFL 3600dpi, $ 309.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3650u, 3600dpi - $ 269.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3600u, 3600 dpi, $ 209.95
Canon Canoscan 8600F Color Image Scanner $163.99
Microtek ScanMaker i800 $299.84
Canon CanoScan 4400F Color Image Scanner $89.99

Which one you recommend?

Thanks,

Zalek

Add the Plustek Opticfilm 7200. Worth considering. Also that crap about
scanning time, it all depends on what you are going to USE the scanned
images for. If all you want to do is digitise your film/slides to show on a
computer monitor, scanning time is very short. If you want top quality
prints, it takes a little longer, but up to 10 by 8, image resolution need
not be all that fine.

Digital Ice costs money, but saves time in the apres-scan work. If you are
good with Photoshop or PSP, and selective as to which of your scans are
worth spending time on, you can live without Digital Ice.

Dennis.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
Quote:
ZalekBloom@hotmail.com wrote:
Looking for a scanner to convert my negatives to digital media.
Nothing fancy, with resolution good to show pictures on 19" PC
monitor. Any idea how long it takes to scan one picture?

Anywhere from a couple of minutes to half an hour; not counting any
restoration or retouching that's necessary.

I don't want to spend more then $300.
Looking on the Web I found:

Pacific Image PrimeFilm 3610AFL 3600dpi, $ 309.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3650u, 3600dpi - $ 269.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3600u, 3600 dpi, $ 209.95
Canon Canoscan 8600F Color Image Scanner $163.99
Microtek ScanMaker i800 $299.84 Canon
CanoScan 4400F Color Image Scanner $89.99
Which one you recommend?

I would strongly suggest *not* considering anything that doesn't have
Digital ICE or equivalent (infrared scan channel plus software to
interpolate into damaged areas as revealed by the infrared scan channel;
it eliminates dust and hairs and scratches amazingly well).

I would not seriously consider any flatbed scanner with transparency
adapter for 35mm work.

And I would go up to the Nikon Coolscan V at $500.

I have a Coolscan IV. It, and the ICE3, works, but a scanner with
a diffuse light source would be much better to get rid of
grain. Any suggestions?

Doug McDonald
a person getting tired of Photoshop's band-aid. I cut my
mouse button finger and am currently crippled.
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gerrit
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
"Dennis Pogson" <dennis_nospampogson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Digital Ice costs money, but saves time in the apres-scan work. If you are
good with Photoshop or PSP, and selective as to which of your scans are
worth spending time on, you can live without Digital Ice.


My Epson 4490 has Digital Ice and is not excessively expensive. As you said,
for screen work it is fine. I even did some colour slides for a printed
book. Took a bit longer but still impressive for the price of the machine.

Gerrit - Oz
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Ron Recer
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
<ZalekBloom@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Looking for a scanner to convert my negatives to digital media.
Nothing fancy, with resolution good to show pictures on 19" PC
monitor.
Any idea how long it takes to scan one picture?
I don't want to spend more then $300.
Looking on the Web I found:

Pacific Image PrimeFilm 3610AFL 3600dpi, $ 309.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3650u, 3600dpi - $ 269.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3600u, 3600 dpi, $ 209.95
Canon Canoscan 8600F Color Image Scanner $163.99
Microtek ScanMaker i800 $299.84
Canon CanoScan 4400F Color Image Scanner $89.99

Which one you recommend?

We have a Canon 8600 and it seems to do a good job on 35mm slides. Takes

about 30 minutes to scan 4 slides.

Ron
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Harry Palmer
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:17 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
"DBLEXPOSURE" <celstuff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
"Harry Palmer" <nope@nope.com> wrote in message
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Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:59:36 -0400, ZalekBloom wrote:

Looking for a scanner to convert my negatives to digital media.
Nothing fancy, with resolution good to show pictures on 19" PC
monitor.
Any idea how long it takes to scan one picture?
I don't want to spend more then $300.
Looking on the Web I found:

Pacific Image PrimeFilm 3610AFL 3600dpi, $ 309.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3650u, 3600dpi - $ 269.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3600u, 3600 dpi, $ 209.95
Canon Canoscan 8600F Color Image Scanner $163.99
Microtek ScanMaker i800 $299.84
Canon CanoScan 4400F Color Image Scanner $89.99

Which one you recommend?

Thanks,

Zalek

You can also find some good Epson scanners on the Epson web site -
neighborhood of $150 or less - the 4490 I have works fine.

Scanning takes a LONG time - better to have a commercial outfit do
them
for you if your time is worth anything.


I have a Minolta DiMAGE Scan Dual4 that I do not use anymore, I would
let
it go cheap.


PZ
www.imagequest.ifp3.com



how much and where are you?
Hp



Right now I am a deployed Soldier but I wll be home to South Dakota in six
weeks or so. Price is Make an offer, I really don't use it anymore. It
does have one quirk I need to disclose, From time to time the tractor feed
sticks, all you need to do is give it a tap and it will then advance to
the
next slide. But, you cannot leave it un attended when doing a batch of
six.
You have to unstick it when it gets hung up or it will just sit and grind
away.

With that in mind and if you can wait until I get home, I am thinking in
the $200 ball park.

PZ
www.imagequest.ifp3.com




It's a good price but I'll pass, I really need the thing now. I'm going to

buy the coolscan this weekend. I saw the one that you have go on ebay for
about $250+ so I'd sell it there if I were you. Good to hear you are coming
home and thanks for looking out for us.

Harry
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DBLEXPOSURE
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:39 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
Thanks harry, Appreciate hearing that,

I am not looking to move the scanner, I simply don't use it much so if
anyone needs one and get use out of it, the deal stands.

Good luck with your Coolscan.


Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
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"DBLEXPOSURE" <celstuff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
"Harry Palmer" <nope@nope.com> wrote in message
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"DBLEXPOSURE" <celstuff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.04.26.04.23.14.983669@zianet.com...
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:59:36 -0400, ZalekBloom wrote:

Looking for a scanner to convert my negatives to digital media.
Nothing fancy, with resolution good to show pictures on 19" PC
monitor.
Any idea how long it takes to scan one picture?
I don't want to spend more then $300.
Looking on the Web I found:

Pacific Image PrimeFilm 3610AFL 3600dpi, $ 309.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3650u, 3600dpi - $ 269.95
Pacific Image Prime-Film 3600u, 3600 dpi, $ 209.95
Canon Canoscan 8600F Color Image Scanner $163.99
Microtek ScanMaker i800 $299.84
Canon CanoScan 4400F Color Image Scanner $89.99

Which one you recommend?

Thanks,

Zalek

You can also find some good Epson scanners on the Epson web site -
neighborhood of $150 or less - the 4490 I have works fine.

Scanning takes a LONG time - better to have a commercial outfit do
them
for you if your time is worth anything.


I have a Minolta DiMAGE Scan Dual4 that I do not use anymore, I
would
let
it go cheap.


PZ
www.imagequest.ifp3.com



how much and where are you?
Hp



Right now I am a deployed Soldier but I wll be home to South Dakota in
six
weeks or so. Price is Make an offer, I really don't use it anymore. It
does have one quirk I need to disclose, From time to time the tractor
feed
sticks, all you need to do is give it a tap and it will then advance to
the
next slide. But, you cannot leave it un attended when doing a batch of
six.
You have to unstick it when it gets hung up or it will just sit and grind
away.

With that in mind and if you can wait until I get home, I am thinking in
the $200 ball park.

PZ
www.imagequest.ifp3.com




It's a good price but I'll pass, I really need the thing now. I'm going to
buy the coolscan this weekend. I saw the one that you have go on ebay for
about $250+ so I'd sell it there if I were you. Good to hear you are
coming
home and thanks for looking out for us.

Harry

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jeremy
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
"David Dyer-Bennet" <dd-b@dd-b.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
jeremy wrote:

I have the PrimeFilm PF3650Pro3, but I notice that it has been removed
from both the Amazon site and from the manufacturer's site
(www.scanace.com). I'm wondering if it has been withdrawn? It has
Digital ICE3, it scans an entire roll of uncut negatives (so I can just
let it scan automatically while I do something else), it scans individual
slides, and it has 3600 optical resolution, which is more than the
original Kokak "Photo CD" had (2048 x 3072).

That resolution (if taken literally) is adequate for nearly anything
(certainly unless you have slides shot on very lowspeed films, on a
tripod, with first-rate lenses :-)).

The entire uncut roll thing sounds *so great* -- except that all the film
I need to scan is already cut into strips of 1, 4, 5, or 6 frames. (The
"1" is mounted slides, and I do have the slide feeder for my Nikon
Coolscan 5000 ED).

Also, the rare times I've had films returned uncut, it's been *much* more
scratched up, probably from what they did to get the entire strip into a
protective plastic sleeve, or else what they did to coil it up in the film
can. So I don't think I'd have film returned uncut even if I were still
shooting film. If I were processing it myself I'd probably scan it before
cutting, though, if I had such a scanner.

I have my film returned uncut so I can avoid having to stay with the scanner
and keep on inserting strips.

The first pass is pre-scan. That takes about 1 minute per frame. I can
walk away and come back in half an hour, then select the images I want to
have fully-scanned, I can rotate any of them that require it and I can turn
on ICE3/ROC/GEM. Then the full scanning process begins. I can walk away
again, for about 2 hours, and the roll is done.

The ability to scan an entire roll makes the long scan time acceptable.
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Talker
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:40:34 -0400, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

Quote:
DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
Why not a flatbed? Here are a couple flatbeds from Epson that have good and
great resolution, come with Digital Ice, have good Dmax specs and can scan
not only negs and slides but will handle prints and medium and large format
negs if you like.

Scan photos: flatbed
Scan film: film scanner.

Don't top post.


The best scanner on the market....film or photos, is a flatbed.
I have checked on this line frequently, but they are way out of my
league.(maybe in my next life<g>). I just like to see what they are
doing from time to time.
I'm talking about the old CreoScitex scanner line. They were
bought out by Kodak, and you can still check them out under the Kodak
EverSmart Supreme line.
http://graphics.kodak.com/us/product/scanners/professional_scanners/eversmart_supreme_ii/default.htm
No film scanner can reproduce what these flatbeds will do, and
from what I've read, they are also better than drum scanners.
Anyway, I just though I'd add my two cents.

Talker
(ps. Most groups have their own guidelines when it comes to top/bottom
posting, and very few groups ask you to top post. The reason they
prefer bottom posting is because that's how you read....from top to
bottom. If 10 people replied to a post and they all top posted, you
would have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to read the
initial post, then scroll up to the next post and scroll down it as
you read it. That is not how one reads normally. By bottom posting,
one can follow each post by scrolling down as you read it.....the same
way you would read a book.)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
Quote:
Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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DBLEXPOSURE wrote:

Why not a flatbed? Here are a couple flatbeds from Epson that have good
and great resolution, come with Digital Ice, have good Dmax specs and can
scan not only negs and slides but will handle prints and medium and large
format negs if you like.

Scan photos: flatbed
Scan film: film scanner.

That's not an explanation of your position but a reiteration and a mule
headed one at that.

PLONK -1 and counting.

Quote:
What makes you think that because one has a film or slide carrier only makes
it electronically or otherwise better? What is the technical reasoning
behind your position?

Every time I have seen a side by side of the best flatbed to an ordinary
film scanner, the flatbed was, to be kind, soft in comparison. I was
tempted to buy the Epson 4990 but Jim (link below) sent me CD's with
4990 scans of my own 120 film. I bought the Nikon 9000 ED based on that
comparison and on others people posted online.

James held a "bake off" of scanners in 2005. The flatbeds lagged hard
regardless of their resolution numbers:
http://www.jamesphotography.ca/bakeoff2005/numbers.html

And just to be clear: the declared number of pixels is not a "technical
reason" to buy anything.

Cheers,
Alan.

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DBLEXPOSURE
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner Reply with quote
Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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Quote:
DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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DBLEXPOSURE wrote:

Why not a flatbed? Here are a couple flatbeds from Epson that have good
and great resolution, come with Digital Ice, have good Dmax specs and
can scan not only negs and slides but will handle prints and medium and
large format negs if you like.

Scan photos: flatbed
Scan film: film scanner.

That's not an explanation of your position but a reiteration and a mule
headed one at that.

PLONK -1 and counting.

What makes you think that because one has a film or slide carrier only
makes it electronically or otherwise better? What is the technical
reasoning behind your position?

Every time I have seen a side by side of the best flatbed to an ordinary
film scanner, the flatbed was, to be kind, soft in comparison. I was
tempted to buy the Epson 4990 but Jim (link below) sent me CD's with 4990
scans of my own 120 film. I bought the Nikon 9000 ED based on that
comparison and on others people posted online.

James held a "bake off" of scanners in 2005. The flatbeds lagged hard
regardless of their resolution numbers:
http://www.jamesphotography.ca/bakeoff2005/numbers.html

And just to be clear: the declared number of pixels is not a "technical
reason" to buy anything.

Cheers,
Alan.

--
-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm
-- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm
-- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin
-- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch.


Thanks for the reasonable answer. I know what you mean about not judging by
the numbers, I have known a few marketing execs in my time. Still, a claim
of 6400dpi is worth looking into. Epson has always, to the best of my
knowledge, been a reputable company and a leader in the digital imaging
world, at least when it comes to scanners and printers



BTW, "PLONK -1 and counting" One good plonk deserves another, speak to me
respectfully and I will always do in kind, take a shot and expect one in
return.



Also, is it not the local courtesy to leave the above post completely in
tack when replying? Chunks of my previous are missing from your reply, just
curious.



Patrick Ziegler

www.imagequest.ifp3.com
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Alan Browne
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for film scanner -Correction Reply with quote
Alan Browne wrote:

Quote:
film scanner, the flatbed was, to be kind, soft in comparison. I was
tempted to buy the Epson 4990 but Jim (link below) sent me CD's with
4990 scans of my own 120 film.

Was actually Ken Weitzel. Sorry Ken and Jim.
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