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Steven Hook
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 Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject: Choosing the right Hardware |
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Hey...
I'm due for an upgrade, but it's been a long time since I've actually
chosen hardware, to me a 2.1GHZ processor is rubbish, but with core 2
duo, it'a all I can afford.
I've never been one for laptops, cos of the cost / performance ratio,
but I'm finding myself using a work laptop more and more, so I think a
Tablet might not be such a bad idea.
So my question is, with Vista here, I'm looking at no less than 2GB
Ram?
2.1GHZ core 2 duo OK? how much difference is will I get from a 2.4
(compared with a 2.13?)
will the 64dit XP be better? or Vista ultimate? I usually don't like
to buy a Windows OS untill the 1st SP.
What's the diff between a E6400 and a T7200?
why is the LG tablet with a CoreDuoU2500(1.2GHz), more expensive than
the Toshiba tablet with the Intel Core 2 Duo T7200?
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CBFalconer
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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Steven Hook wrote:
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will the 64dit XP be better? or Vista ultimate? I usually don't
like to buy a Windows OS untill the 1st SP.
What's the diff between a E6400 and a T7200?
why is the LG tablet with a CoreDuoU2500(1.2GHz), more expensive
than the Toshiba tablet with the Intel Core 2 Duo T7200?
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Dave
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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"CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Steven Hook wrote:
... snip ...
will the 64dit XP be better? or Vista ultimate? I usually don't
like to buy a Windows OS untill the 1st SP.
What's the diff between a E6400 and a T7200?
why is the LG tablet with a CoreDuoU2500(1.2GHz), more expensive
than the Toshiba tablet with the Intel Core 2 Duo T7200?
Avoid Vista. Read the following links.
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What rubbish. Just two things to remember when building for Vista.
1) Get 1.5GB or 2GB of RAM (you should do this anyway!)
2) Be sure to buy a DVD burner with Nero 7 Essentials, as this is the only
DVD burning package (that doesn't cost an arm and a leg) that is said to
work on Vista, last I checked. This won't cost extra, you just need to be
careful choosing your DVD burner.
So basically, building for Vista is just like building for XP. -Dave |
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GT
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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"Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
news:R1gXh.122170$aG1.117891@pd7urf3no...
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"John Weiss" <jrweiss@nospamattglobal.net> wrote in message
news:462d56e8@kcnews03...
"Steven Hook" <hook.steven@gmail.com> wrote...
Hey...
I'm due for an upgrade, but it's been a long time since I've actually
chosen hardware, to me a 2.1GHZ processor is rubbish, but with core 2
duo, it'a all I can afford.
Rubbish?!? They're faster than 3 GHz P4s for most uses!
Uhm... they AREN'T faster. They ARE better optimized.
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.... making them faster! |
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Conor
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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In article <R1gXh.122170$aG1.117891@pd7urf3no>, Noozer says...
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"John Weiss" <jrweiss@nospamattglobal.net> wrote in message
news:462d56e8@kcnews03...
"Steven Hook" <hook.steven@gmail.com> wrote...
Hey...
I'm due for an upgrade, but it's been a long time since I've actually
chosen hardware, to me a 2.1GHZ processor is rubbish, but with core 2
duo, it'a all I can afford.
Rubbish?!? They're faster than 3 GHz P4s for most uses!
Uhm... they AREN'T faster. They ARE better optimized.
Which means they're faster. |
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kony
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:50:11 -0400, "Dave" <noway@nohow.not>
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"CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:462D108B.17C2BA6E@yahoo.com...
Steven Hook wrote:
... snip ...
will the 64dit XP be better? or Vista ultimate? I usually don't
like to buy a Windows OS untill the 1st SP.
What's the diff between a E6400 and a T7200?
why is the LG tablet with a CoreDuoU2500(1.2GHz), more expensive
than the Toshiba tablet with the Intel Core 2 Duo T7200?
Avoid Vista. Read the following links.
What rubbish. Just two things to remember when building for Vista.
1) Get 1.5GB or 2GB of RAM (you should do this anyway!)
2) Be sure to buy a DVD burner with Nero 7 Essentials, as this is the only
DVD burning package (that doesn't cost an arm and a leg) that is said to
work on Vista, last I checked. This won't cost extra, you just need to be
careful choosing your DVD burner.
So basically, building for Vista is just like building for XP. -Dave
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Hardly, the moment one starts talking about a difference in
expense it has to be recognized that you will have to pay
more for the CPU and memory just to run at the same
performance level with Vista as XP. With a higher end
system it may not matter so much, but we're talking about
budgetized notebooks or tablets, where it's quite
applicable. |
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Dave
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:19 am Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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What rubbish. Just two things to remember when building for Vista.
1) Get 1.5GB or 2GB of RAM (you should do this anyway!)
2) Be sure to buy a DVD burner with Nero 7 Essentials, as this is the
only
DVD burning package (that doesn't cost an arm and a leg) that is said to
work on Vista, last I checked. This won't cost extra, you just need to be
careful choosing your DVD burner.
So basically, building for Vista is just like building for XP. -Dave
Hardly, the moment one starts talking about a difference in
expense it has to be recognized that you will have to pay
more for the CPU and memory just to run at the same
performance level with Vista as XP.
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You're not comparing apples to apples. Any decent mid-range system built
today will run xp or vista just fine. Most low-end systems built today will
also run both operating systems. And no, neither will suffer a performance
hit. -Dave |
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Steven Toney
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:33 am Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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For most situations for most people the newer C2D's get more tasks / work
done per unit of time (clock cycle) - therefor even though the MHZ are less
more work is done per unit of time (cycle)
The result is for most the work or task is done in less time = faster |
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kony
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:33 am Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:51:23 GMT, "Noozer"
<dont.spam@me.here> wrote:
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"GT" <ContactGT_removeme_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:462f76ce$0$30965$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
Hey...
I'm due for an upgrade, but it's been a long time since I've
actually
chosen hardware, to me a 2.1GHZ processor is rubbish, but with core
2
duo, it'a all I can afford.
Rubbish?!? They're faster than 3 GHz P4s for most uses!
Uhm... they AREN'T faster. They ARE better optimized.
Which means they're faster.
No...
How long with it take you to move 3 cubic yards of earth with a 2007 Ford
F150 pickup truck? Now the same load with a 2007 Corvette?
So the vehicle more designed to that task is better! No surprise there. In
fact, the Corvette would probably run out of fuel and maybe overheat.
Put the 2.1Ghz Core2 PC next to the P4 3Ghz Northwood and run a simple
assembler counting loop. The Northwood will win every time.
If that is all you do on your PC, then you stick with your P4. Just hope
it doesn't overheat! The rest of the people in this group run Windows
(sorry, I generalise) and 'real' applications which do much more than loop
all day and the CPU more designed to these 'real' tasks (about 4 years
more R&D) is the Core 2 Duo.
My point is that a Northwood chip running at 3Ghz IS faster than a Core2Duo
2.1Ghz chip. The 2.1Ghz chip IS slower, but more efficient.
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Easier to just avoid using the words "faster" and "slower"
unless describing something specifically, necessarily every
time "faster" or "slower" are used. Better to use
higher/lower clock rate, or best might be to just tell the
OP to stop wasting our time with it since anyone can find
benchmarks instead of having us repeat same things over and
over again. |
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Steven Hook
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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On Apr 24, 2:48 am, "John Weiss" <jrwe...@nospamattglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Steven Hook" <hook.ste...@gmail.com> wrote...
Hey...
I'm due for an upgrade, but it's been a long time since I've actually
chosen hardware, to me a 2.1GHZ processor is rubbish, but with core 2
duo, it'a all I can afford.
Rubbish?!? They're faster than 3 GHz P4s for most uses!
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This is the advice I'm lookin 4 :)
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I've never been one for laptops, cos of the cost / performance ratio,
but I'm finding myself using a work laptop more and more, so I think a
Tablet might not be such a bad idea.
But you'll pay a premium for the tablet configuration. Why do you think
you need it?
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At the office I do everything... I like the tablet idea for meetings
and drawing and stuff...
I love M$ onenote (that's a lil bit of an embaressing thing to admit)
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So my question is, with Vista here, I'm looking at no less than 2GB
Ram?
Probably. Also, a good Gfx card to run Aero. Otherwise, stick with XP
Pro.
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The only reason I'd want to get Vista now is to avoid paying for pro
now and paying for an upgrade later... I want this to be a long-term
machine.
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2.1GHZ core 2 duo OK? how much difference is will I get from a 2.4
(compared with a 2.13?)
Likely little perceivable difference. What will you use it for?
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DTP type stuff mainly, file conversions, and running normal admin
tasks on top of that(simaltaneously).
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will the 64dit XP be better? or Vista ultimate? I usually don't like
to buy a Windows OS untill the 1st SP.
64-bit will run you into driver problems, and likely take you out of the
tablet game...
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yea, would only consider 64 bitt for a desktop, and I've wondered away
from that idea.
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What's the diff between a E6400 and a T7200?
Check the Intel web site for the specs. You want a low-voltage mobile CPU
for a laptop, for battery life and heat considerations. |
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Steven Hook
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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On Apr 24, 8:48 am, larry moe 'n curly <larrymoencu...@my-deja.com>
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| Quote: | Steven Hook wrote:
I'm due for an upgrade, but it's been a long time since I've actually
chosen hardware, to me a 2.1GHZ processor is rubbish, but with core 2
duo, it'a all I can afford.
I've never been one for laptops, cos of the cost / performance ratio,
but I'm finding myself using a work laptop more and more, so I think a
Tablet might not be such a bad idea.
2.1 GHz is rubbish? I just upgraded to a slightly slower Pentium 4. :
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If you're tight on money, why are you considering anything but a
desktop, especially if you want speed? The Core2 Duos, like the
Athlon64s, are pretty fast for any given clock speed, more so than any
Pentium 4, and they're supposed to be very overclockable, with many
1.8 GHz E4300s able to run reliably at double that rate.
But is your CPU really slowing you down? If you're a gamer it may be
better to get a faster graphics card, and for some other applications
the best solution can be more memory.
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Well, I run mostly DTP applications, so it's file processing, multi-
tasking, converting files and printing to file.
I'm not satin 2.1 IS rubbish, I'm just asyin the market has totally
changed since last I bought and I don't really know how to compare.
I can warrent spending more on a laptop (forget I said laptop, I want
a tablet) than a desktop because of the added functionality.
This is why I came to the group ... is the core 2 duo a good
processor, or os it another "cheap" one ... does their optimisation
really work or is it marketing hype?
Looking at the pricelists tho, it seems there isn't much in the way of
choice out there anyway...:-S |
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Steven Hook
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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On Apr 24, 5:28 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:50:11 -0400, "Dave" <n...@nohow.not
wrote:
"CBFalconer" <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:462D108B.17C2BA6E@yahoo.com...
Steven Hook wrote:
... snip ...
will the 64dit XP be better? or Vista ultimate? I usually don't
like to buy a Windows OS untill the 1st SP.
What's the diff between a E6400 and a T7200?
why is the LG tablet with a CoreDuoU2500(1.2GHz), more expensive
than the Toshiba tablet with the Intel Core 2 Duo T7200?
Avoid Vista. Read the following links.
What rubbish. Just two things to remember when building for Vista.
1) Get 1.5GB or 2GB of RAM (you should do this anyway!)
2) Be sure to buy a DVD burner with Nero 7 Essentials, as this is the only
DVD burning package (that doesn't cost an arm and a leg) that is said to
work on Vista, last I checked. This won't cost extra, you just need to be
careful choosing your DVD burner.
So basically, building for Vista is just like building for XP. -Dave
Hardly, the moment one starts talking about a difference in
expense it has to be recognized that you will have to pay
more for the CPU and memory just to run at the same
performance level with Vista as XP. With a higher end
system it may not matter so much, but we're talking about
budgetized notebooks or tablets, where it's quite
applicable.
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But I don't want a budgetised ... is 2GHz C2D gonna be like my
accountant's celeron and drive me insane every time I open a second
application? |
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Steven Hook
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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Mainly DTP type stuff, office 2007, Coreldraw, photoshop Adobe
Acrobat, I like ot have my mail open all the time, and with outlook
2007 it slows down my machine too much.
I've pretty much made up my mind that I want a tablet now tho.
On Apr 24, 8:16 am, darklight <glen.her...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
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Steven Hook
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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On Apr 24, 8:15 am, larry moe 'n curly <larrymoencu...@my-deja.com>
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eish! we u get it 4 4 so cheap? get 4 me 1 2.
Steven |
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Steven Hook
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: Re: Choosing the right Hardware |
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On Apr 24, 3:02 am, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 23 Apr 2007 11:56:52 -0700, Steven Hook
hook.ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey...
I'm due for an upgrade, but it's been a long time since I've actually
chosen hardware, to me a 2.1GHZ processor is rubbish, but with core 2
duo, it'a all I can afford.
Then don't upgrade.
I've never been one for laptops, cos of the cost / performance ratio,
but I'm finding myself using a work laptop more and more, so I think a
Tablet might not be such a bad idea.
So you get an even slower CPU than you "thought" you would
get with a 2.1GHz Core2Duo?
You use a laptop but then you don't think "laptop", you
think "tablet"? Makes no sense.
You might just buy the product instead of trying to judge.
So my question is, with Vista here, I'm looking at no less than 2GB
Ram?
Incorrect. Amount still depends on the jobs ran, and
budget.
2.1GHZ core 2 duo OK?
Apparently it's rubbish.
Your choices are quite simple. Buy it or spend more.
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what do I look at for more?
I've got my heart set on a tablet now.
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how much difference is will I get from a 2.4
(compared with a 2.13?)
2.4/2.13 = difference, roughly speaking. If you want more
specifics then it'll depend on the task. For a laptop or
tablet the hard drive (or sometimes flash memory today) will
be a more significant bottleneck for many common uses, as
might Vista be.
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How do I choosw what's right 4 me?
at the moment I'm looking at
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/en/WF06b/321957-321957-64295-304455-306995-1847962-1849071-3369466.html
Application - as I've replied to other posts, DTP type stuff, Office
ent 2007, coreldraw, photoshop, printing to file, Adobe Acrobat Pro,
converting large files to PDF ... that kinda stuff...
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will the 64dit XP be better? or Vista ultimate? I usually don't like
to buy a Windows OS untill the 1st SP.
It is wise to wait unless you feel like being a beta tester.
Only you can decide how long it would be till you buy
another OS or upgrade the OS if you feel you need Vista at
some point.
What's the diff between a E6400 and a T7200?
why is the LG tablet with a CoreDuoU2500(1.2GHz), more expensive than
the Toshiba tablet with the Intel Core 2 Duo T7200?
Steven
Because it's not just a CPU in a free cardboard box? |
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