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 Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: Help with additional PCI video card and S2882D motherboard |
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I just purchased a Tyan S2882D motherboard and an ATI Radeon 9250
video card. This is a real ATI-made card.
I've been having trouble getting the ATI card to work seemlessly with
this motherboard. Frequently system boots will hang between the SATA
controller and the SCSI controller banners before the OS even boots.
Occansionally it hangs after the Adaptec BIOS banner but before the
SCSI bus is scaned. It will hang even if I try to get the BIOS into
set-up.
I've tried moving the ATI card to different slots, changing the PCI
bus speed setting for slots 1 and 2, enabling and disabling the on-
board motherboard video but nothing seems improve the situation.
Can anyone recommend something to fix this issue?
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Paul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Help with additional PCI video card and S2882D motherboa |
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ftarz@mindspring.com wrote:
| Quote: | I just purchased a Tyan S2882D motherboard and an ATI Radeon 9250
video card. This is a real ATI-made card.
I've been having trouble getting the ATI card to work seemlessly with
this motherboard. Frequently system boots will hang between the SATA
controller and the SCSI controller banners before the OS even boots.
Occansionally it hangs after the Adaptec BIOS banner but before the
SCSI bus is scaned. It will hang even if I try to get the BIOS into
set-up.
I've tried moving the ATI card to different slots, changing the PCI
bus speed setting for slots 1 and 2, enabling and disabling the on-
board motherboard video but nothing seems improve the situation.
Can anyone recommend something to fix this issue?
Frank
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There is a thread here - even mentions the M3289 problem:
http://www.2cpu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64491&page=2
Expansion ROMS use a low memory resource, and are a problem during POST.
People with server board experience are used to disabling expansion
ROMs on enough of their controllers, so that they can get a system
to boot from the one I/O device with the disks on it. Video cards
can be nasty, because their expansion ROM uses 64KB of low memory.
(Don't ask me how to disable the necessary stuff - I'm not a server
guy :-) )
Here is a reference to the topic of Expansion ROMs on RAID cards and the
like:
http://forums.2cpu.com/showthread.php?threadid=29994&highlight=loading+scsi+bios
Formatted for clarity:
Q: Why doesn't the BIOS (Option ROM) for my PCI device show
during boot up?
A: The cause of the problem is that in order to be PC Compatible,
the Option Rom space is limited to 128K. This is true for any
motherboard with PC compatible BIOS'.
In the common configurations, a newer AGP card (such as any
GeForce4) will require 64K of Option Rom space, so you have only
64K of Option Rom space left to work with for other devices.
Many SCSI, NIC (w/ PXE), IDE Raid and etc., can easily use
another 40 to 64K of Option Rom space for their needs.
By design the Option Rom should shrink down to a smaller run time
code after the initialization code has run. For example, some Adaptec
cards will require 32K to initialize. Then they shrink down to
12K at run time; whereas some GeForce4 cards require 64K to initialize
and never release to a smaller amount. Please check with the device
manufacturer for the latest firmware upgrade or ask if they have a
smaller Option Rom available. Again this is a limitation of the
PC compatible specification and not a failure of the motherboard
BIOS itself.
Updating the BIOS to the latest version, is the first thing I'd try
with a new board, *if* I could get it to complete the POST sequence.
A combination of an old BIOS release and a processor with a newer
revision, can prevent you from doing that. You at least want to be
certain that the BIOS update procedure is not going to freeze in the
middle of the operation, so you want a bit of basic stability demonstrated
by a minimum hardware configuration, before attempting a BIOS upgrade.
If bad symptoms are still displayed, after using the latest BIOS, then it
is time to attack the option ROMs, and disable the ROMs that are not
essential to booting. The recipe for this, varies with the different
card types.
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Frank Tarczynski
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Help with additional PCI video card and S2882D motherboa |
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Paul wrote:
| Quote: | ftarz@mindspring.com wrote:
I just purchased a Tyan S2882D motherboard and an ATI Radeon 9250
video card. This is a real ATI-made card.
I've been having trouble getting the ATI card to work seemlessly with
this motherboard. Frequently system boots will hang between the SATA
controller and the SCSI controller banners before the OS even boots.
Occansionally it hangs after the Adaptec BIOS banner but before the
SCSI bus is scaned. It will hang even if I try to get the BIOS into
set-up.
I've tried moving the ATI card to different slots, changing the PCI
bus speed setting for slots 1 and 2, enabling and disabling the on-
board motherboard video but nothing seems improve the situation.
Can anyone recommend something to fix this issue?
Frank
There is a thread here - even mentions the M3289 problem:
http://www.2cpu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64491&page=2
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I might have missed it, but I didn't really see any detail of the M3289
SMDC problem here. I have the correct SMDC card for my S2882D and it's
cabled-up as per the Tyan web site instructions. The motherboard BIOS
claims to see it at boot time and the Tyan util.exe utility lets me
configure it and see live data. I just can't see the SMDC from the
outside world. I've pulled everything out of the this system,
disconnected all the hardware and booted off a DOS floppy. The light on
the M3289 is on solid when power is applied to the motherboard. I've
tried reseting the M3289 but still no contact with the outside world.
| Quote: |
Expansion ROMS use a low memory resource, and are a problem during POST.
People with server board experience are used to disabling expansion
ROMs on enough of their controllers, so that they can get a system
to boot from the one I/O device with the disks on it. Video cards
can be nasty, because their expansion ROM uses 64KB of low memory.
(Don't ask me how to disable the necessary stuff - I'm not a server
guy :-) )
Here is a reference to the topic of Expansion ROMs on RAID cards and the
like:
http://forums.2cpu.com/showthread.php?threadid=29994&highlight=loading+scsi+bios
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I understand what's being said here and agree with it. The only reason
I question this as the problem is that the system will boot successfully
with the PCI video card and load the OS (64-bit version of Solaris)
around 50-60% of the time. When booting hangs at the SCSI BIOS loading,
I power-off and back on and the system will most likely boot OK.
If this is a hardware issue I'd expect it to occur close to 100% of the
time.
I've got an Antec Neo 500W power supply and I come across a few postings
questioning the ability of such supplies to consistently provide
sufficient 12V power for boards like the S2882D.
| Quote: |
Formatted for clarity:
Q: Why doesn't the BIOS (Option ROM) for my PCI device show
during boot up?
A: The cause of the problem is that in order to be PC Compatible,
the Option Rom space is limited to 128K. This is true for any
motherboard with PC compatible BIOS'.
In the common configurations, a newer AGP card (such as any
GeForce4) will require 64K of Option Rom space, so you have only
64K of Option Rom space left to work with for other devices.
Many SCSI, NIC (w/ PXE), IDE Raid and etc., can easily use
another 40 to 64K of Option Rom space for their needs.
By design the Option Rom should shrink down to a smaller run time
code after the initialization code has run. For example, some Adaptec
cards will require 32K to initialize. Then they shrink down to
12K at run time; whereas some GeForce4 cards require 64K to
initialize
and never release to a smaller amount. Please check with the device
manufacturer for the latest firmware upgrade or ask if they have a
smaller Option Rom available. Again this is a limitation of the
PC compatible specification and not a failure of the motherboard
BIOS itself.
Updating the BIOS to the latest version, is the first thing I'd try
with a new board, *if* I could get it to complete the POST sequence.
A combination of an old BIOS release and a processor with a newer
revision, can prevent you from doing that. You at least want to be
certain that the BIOS update procedure is not going to freeze in the
middle of the operation, so you want a bit of basic stability demonstrated
by a minimum hardware configuration, before attempting a BIOS upgrade.
If bad symptoms are still displayed, after using the latest BIOS, then it
is time to attack the option ROMs, and disable the ROMs that are not
essential to booting. The recipe for this, varies with the different
card types.
Paul
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Paul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Help with additional PCI video card and S2882D motherboa |
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Frank Tarczynski wrote:
| Quote: | Paul wrote:
ftarz@mindspring.com wrote:
I just purchased a Tyan S2882D motherboard and an ATI Radeon 9250
video card. This is a real ATI-made card.
I've been having trouble getting the ATI card to work seemlessly with
this motherboard. Frequently system boots will hang between the SATA
controller and the SCSI controller banners before the OS even boots.
Occansionally it hangs after the Adaptec BIOS banner but before the
SCSI bus is scaned. It will hang even if I try to get the BIOS into
set-up.
I've tried moving the ATI card to different slots, changing the PCI
bus speed setting for slots 1 and 2, enabling and disabling the on-
board motherboard video but nothing seems improve the situation.
Can anyone recommend something to fix this issue?
Frank
There is a thread here - even mentions the M3289 problem:
http://www.2cpu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64491&page=2
I might have missed it, but I didn't really see any detail of the M3289
SMDC problem here. I have the correct SMDC card for my S2882D and it's
cabled-up as per the Tyan web site instructions. The motherboard BIOS
claims to see it at boot time and the Tyan util.exe utility lets me
configure it and see live data. I just can't see the SMDC from the
outside world. I've pulled everything out of the this system,
disconnected all the hardware and booted off a DOS floppy. The light on
the M3289 is on solid when power is applied to the motherboard. I've
tried reseting the M3289 but still no contact with the outside world.
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My apologies. It looks like I ended up in the wrong thread. I was
using an external search engine to search 2cpu.com and I thought
that thread was about your board. I should have been paying more
attention.
Is this what you used for cabling ? It looks like the 82551QM chip
is used to drive the LAN3 connector, in the upper right hand corner.
It is a 10/100 interface. Are any LEDs flashing ? The diagram labels
that as the "SMDC link".
ftp://ftp.tyan.com/img_smdc/smdc_s2882.jpg
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Frank Tarczynski
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Help with additional PCI video card and S2882D motherboa |
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Paul wrote:
| Quote: | Frank Tarczynski wrote:
Paul wrote:
ftarz@mindspring.com wrote:
I just purchased a Tyan S2882D motherboard and an ATI Radeon 9250
video card. This is a real ATI-made card.
I've been having trouble getting the ATI card to work seemlessly with
this motherboard. Frequently system boots will hang between the SATA
controller and the SCSI controller banners before the OS even boots.
Occansionally it hangs after the Adaptec BIOS banner but before the
SCSI bus is scaned. It will hang even if I try to get the BIOS into
set-up.
I've tried moving the ATI card to different slots, changing the PCI
bus speed setting for slots 1 and 2, enabling and disabling the on-
board motherboard video but nothing seems improve the situation.
Can anyone recommend something to fix this issue?
Frank
There is a thread here - even mentions the M3289 problem:
http://www.2cpu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64491&page=2
I might have missed it, but I didn't really see any detail of the
M3289 SMDC problem here. I have the correct SMDC card for my S2882D
and it's cabled-up as per the Tyan web site instructions. The
motherboard BIOS claims to see it at boot time and the Tyan util.exe
utility lets me configure it and see live data. I just can't see the
SMDC from the outside world. I've pulled everything out of the this
system, disconnected all the hardware and booted off a DOS floppy.
The light on the M3289 is on solid when power is applied to the
motherboard. I've tried reseting the M3289 but still no contact with
the outside world.
snip
My apologies. It looks like I ended up in the wrong thread. I was
using an external search engine to search 2cpu.com and I thought
that thread was about your board. I should have been paying more
attention.
Is this what you used for cabling ? It looks like the 82551QM chip
is used to drive the LAN3 connector, in the upper right hand corner.
It is a 10/100 interface. Are any LEDs flashing ? The diagram labels
that as the "SMDC link".
ftp://ftp.tyan.com/img_smdc/smdc_s2882.jpg
Paul
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Very interesting: I swapped-out the power supply (a new Antec Neo HE
550W) for an FSP 700W with 5 12V rails and everything (both the M3289
SMDC card and the additional ATI PCI video card) right off the bat.
I guess the dual CPUs and motherboard really suck-down the watts.
Anyone want a very lightly used Antec Neo HE 550W supply?
Frank |
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