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John Lewis
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TheSmokingGnu
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 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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John Lewis wrote:
| Quote: | ... the REAL scoop...
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Proprietary architectures make me a sad panda.
Let's just hope it's better than AMD's atrocious attempts at "quad" core
processing, else it'll be the end of both companies. Can't compete in
the market WITHOUT A FLANGING PRODUCT, guys!
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chainbreaker
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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TheSmokingGnu wrote:
| Quote: | John Lewis wrote:
... the REAL scoop...
Proprietary architectures make me a sad panda.
Let's just hope it's better than AMD's atrocious attempts at "quad"
core processing, else it'll be the end of both companies. Can't
compete in the market WITHOUT A FLANGING PRODUCT, guys!
TheSmokingGnu
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You would think that the market would have learned something about
proprietary from Packard Bell. Guess not.
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HockeyTownUSA
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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"chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:9aydnbYLsrxMspLbnZ2dnUVZ_h6vnZ2d@comcast.com...
| Quote: | TheSmokingGnu wrote:
John Lewis wrote:
... the REAL scoop...
Proprietary architectures make me a sad panda.
Let's just hope it's better than AMD's atrocious attempts at "quad"
core processing, else it'll be the end of both companies. Can't
compete in the market WITHOUT A FLANGING PRODUCT, guys!
TheSmokingGnu
You would think that the market would have learned something about
proprietary from Packard Bell. Guess not.
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Guys, you didn't take the red pill did you?
remember: 0104 |
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FKS
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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"TheSmokingGnu" <anonymityisavirtue@1111011010011.com> wrote in message
news:srEPh.45$TQ7.35@newsfe03.lga...
| Quote: | John Lewis wrote:
... the REAL scoop...
Proprietary architectures make me a sad panda.
Let's just hope it's better than AMD's atrocious attempts at "quad" core
processing, else it'll be the end of both companies.
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Before doing something radical, AMD needs to do better in the conventional
cpu market. AMD is trying to fly when it cannot even run fast. |
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Zaghadka
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 01:53:17 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, FKS wrote:
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"TheSmokingGnu" <anonymityisavirtue@1111011010011.com> wrote in message
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John Lewis wrote:
... the REAL scoop...
Proprietary architectures make me a sad panda.
Let's just hope it's better than AMD's atrocious attempts at "quad" core
processing, else it'll be the end of both companies.
Before doing something radical, AMD needs to do better in the conventional
cpu market. AMD is trying to fly when it cannot even run fast.
Anyone can fly, any time. Landings are a *** though. ;^) |
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"The Means Justify The Means" ~George W. Bush, c. 2000 |
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DRS
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Hmmm... so when Elder Scrolls IX (DX12 only, of course) is released you have
to upgrade your CPU/GPU combo? |
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The Shadow
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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| April fools! |
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Ham Pastrami
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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"TheSmokingGnu" <anonymityisavirtue@1111011010011.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Proprietary architectures make me a sad panda.
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Can you explain how this architecture is any more proprietary than the
existing ones that are currently being used? Or is Intel now considered a
standards body? |
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chainbreaker
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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HockeyTownUSA wrote:
| Quote: | Guys, you didn't take the red pill did you?
remember: 0104
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GACK!
Well, everyone should *still* have learned from Packard Bell's fiasco. :-)
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J. Clarke
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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TheSmokingGnu wrote:
| Quote: | Xocyll wrote:
Does that say the user can't buy a GeForce card?
No, it says the user would be more likely to buy a RenderX as it
would be cheaper than buying an entire card from the competition.
Buy != Use.
The article, for example, says nothing about how the Excellon deals
with external cards, or how the system could deal with having both
external and internal GPU chips.
One can easily take the implication that they were speaking of the
Excellon as a discrete system of units, and that competitor's system
would be more expensive.
Now if video cards still used AGP and none of those Excellion
motherboards came with an AGP slot, you might have had a point.
Sub PCIe x16 for AGP, and you've got it.
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The thing is, the PCI Express bus isn't built into the chip, it's built
into the north bridge or other glue chip, which with AMD processors
attaches to one of the hypertransport channels that is also used for
inteprocessor communication in multiprocessor systems.
To remove PCI Express x16 they'd have to cripple the hypertransport
channels in a major way.
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TheSmokingGnu
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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J. Clarke wrote:
| Quote: | The only way it could do that would be to not support an external bus,
which would make it damned difficult to attach peripherals.
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You could conceivably use a PCIe bus without the x16 connections that a
video card needs; it wouldn't be very useful, as you say.
| Quote: | How about the ultra high bandwidth path between the CPU and GPU that is
made possible by having them both on the same die?
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That's the other part of it, yes. eDRAM allows for some insanely wide
bus paths between processors, which is why you don't need very much of it.
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Anyway, my comments weren't meant to spark debate, just expressing opinions.
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Roger
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:27:09 GMT, john.dsl@verizon.net (John Lewis)
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All this writing and how many forgot the date? <:-))
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J. Clarke
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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TheSmokingGnu wrote:
| Quote: | J. Clarke wrote:
And having video integrated on the chip prevents you from choosing a
"competing motherboard" how?
It doesn't, that's not my point. This architecture forces the pairing
of CPU and GPU, that's the sticky bit. The point was that an
existing-architecture CPU purchase is just that, a CPU, not a CPU/GPU
combination.
Nope, you are forced to buy AMD's memory manager. On Intel it's
separate.
Oh, well consider the nits picked. Next I suppose we can argue about
why I'm forced to use Samsung L2 cache, or why I can only use an
Award BIOS on my Giga-byte mobo. :P
So you're saying that that architecture would make it physically
impossible to stick an nvidia video board into a PCI Express slot?
My impression from the article was that the boards were radically
redesigned, and that the only upgrade path available was then either
to plug in another Fusion processor or else use a RenderX chip, and
that the board would not carry the necessary PCIe connections for
video cards.
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The only way it could do that would be to not support an external bus,
which would make it damned difficult to attach peripherals.
| Quote: | If the integrated video gives you more performance than a separate
board can where's the problem? And if it doesn't then how long do
you think it's going to last in the market?
If it is faster (and if they're using eDRAM, it may well be),
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How about the ultra high bandwidth path between the CPU and GPU that is
made possible by having them both on the same die?
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there's no issue at all. I welcome any increases in performance, but
stepping out on a limb like this, especially when neither AMD nor ATI
have put ANY competition on the market for the last 6 months, and have
little to no economic basis, it seems like a bad pretense to be
working on a radical redesign that essentially equates to a
proprietary architecture.
Of course, if everyone jumps on the bandwagon and puts out lots of
support for the system, and there aren't any other unforeseen isses
with it, it may well be the future of end-user computing. Or, it'll
tank really, really bad and leave both companies (both of which I
have used and recommended to friends) high and dry, with no
"traditional" product, no "new" product, and a whole lotta debt to
pay off.
I just don't want to see them wasting time on something only they can
develop and/or support, which distracts them from their main job which
is bringing some competitive pain to Intel/nVidia. Market share is not
won on promises and paper launches alone.
TheSmokingGnu
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John Lewis
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: Re: Why ATI delayed the R600..... |
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 17:24:06 GMT, john.dsl@verizon.net (John Lewis)
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Taken the "Red Pill" yet ?
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