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Ant
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 Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:43 am Post subject: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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Hello,
I live in Los Angeles, CA area. I'd like to know if there are any stores
that still sell new CRT monitors (17" size). I am still not impressed
with LCD monitors because I don't always use the native screen
resolutions, have accurate colors as CRT, refresh since I play games and
watch videos (especially action ones), etc.
Thank you in advance. 
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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| Quote: | I live in Los Angeles
eBay is your only hope.
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And buy Sony.
Assume you'll need to cart it to San Diego for refurb.
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Guy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:49 am Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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Chains such as Best Buy, Staples, OfficeMax, CompUSA, etc., typically have CRTs in stock. If they do not, then it must be a local market thing. Expect to pay $90-$120 for good 17" CRT.
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willbill
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:14 am Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:43:31 -0800, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
| Quote: | Hello,
I live in Los Angeles, CA area. I'd like to know if there are any stores
that still sell new CRT monitors (17" size). I am still not impressed
with LCD monitors because I don't always use the native screen
resolutions, have accurate colors as CRT, refresh since I play games and
watch videos (especially action ones), etc.
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yes, CRT monitors *are* still better than the
latest/best flat screens
newegg still carries 22 CRT monitors, from 15"
up to 22" -- see:
www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCategory.asp?SubCategory=19&name=CRT-Monitors
i see that they have a Philips 17" at $121.99
if there is free repair shipping on it (both
ways), then send it UPS ground and cross your
fingers. i mean this past 6 months, i spent BIG
bucks for blue label with newegg and it didn't get
me anything coz i've returned both my 22" (twice)
and 19" (once so far) Philips CRT monitors
worth noting is that i don't expect these things
to be perfect; e.g. this 3rd 22" unit has a
non-functional auto-calibrate. if it doesn't
have any more (serious) problems show up in
the next 4 months, i'm going to keep it
if i had to do it again with the 22", i'd bite
the bullet and get the 22" NEC ($799.99), even
though it is 8 pounds heavier than the Philips
22" unit, and remains unclear to me if it does
or does not include free shipping both ways
(if there are problems when it does show up)
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Bob Myers
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:53 am Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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"rjn" <email4rjn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Assume you'll need to cart it to San Diego for refurb.
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Bob, I'm not even sure they still DO that in Sandy Eggo....
been quite some time since I was down there, though.
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Ant
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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Guy <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Chains such as Best Buy, Staples, OfficeMax, CompUSA, etc., typically
have CRTs in stock. If they do not, then it must be a local market
thing. Expect to pay $90-$120 for good 17" CRT.
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Hmm, I don't see ANY in their retail stores. I only see them online.
This is in Los Angeles area. 
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willbill
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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Ant wrote:
| Quote: | Guy <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
Chains such as Best Buy, Staples, OfficeMax, CompUSA, etc., typically
have CRTs in stock. If they do not, then it must be a local market
thing. Expect to pay $90-$120 for good 17" CRT.
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| Quote: | Hmm, I don't see ANY in their retail stores. I only see them online.
This is in Los Angeles area.
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what's wrong with buying mail order?
my 22" and 19" Philips monitors came with
prepaid repair shipping both ways for the
1st 12 months. odds are it also applies to
the 17" Philips CRT that Newegg currently has
to confirm call Philips toll free support at
1-877-835-1838
fwiw, my prior response was intended to caution
you that getting an acceptable CRT monitor is
likely going to take one or two returns
afaik, buying a CRT monitor from a local source
(at a likely higher price) is unlikely to shield
you from having to return it
all ears
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Ant
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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willbill <trek@worldwide.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Ant wrote:
Guy <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
Chains such as Best Buy, Staples, OfficeMax, CompUSA, etc., typically
have CRTs in stock. If they do not, then it must be a local market
thing. Expect to pay $90-$120 for good 17" CRT.
Hmm, I don't see ANY in their retail stores. I only see them online.
This is in Los Angeles area. :(
what's wrong with buying mail order?
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Because I won't be able to see the monitors in person. I want to see
them in person before I purchase. I want to be sure my eyes approve the
monitor. :)
| Quote: | fwiw, my prior response was intended to caution
you that getting an acceptable CRT monitor is
likely going to take one or two returns
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Plus, shipping fees are expensive!!
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willbill
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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Ant wrote:
| Quote: | willbill <trek@worldwide.net> wrote:
Ant wrote:
Guy <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
Chains such as Best Buy, Staples, OfficeMax, CompUSA, etc., typically
have CRTs in stock. If they do not, then it must be a local market
thing. Expect to pay $90-$120 for good 17" CRT.
Hmm, I don't see ANY in their retail stores. I only see them online.
This is in Los Angeles area. :(
what's wrong with buying mail order?
Because I won't be able to see the monitors in person. I want to see
them in person before I purchase. I want to be sure my eyes approve the
monitor.
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imho, you need to start thinking straight
just seeing the monitor in a store means nothing.
the pix that newegg provides are adequate for that
what really counts are the specs and whether
there is free shipping both ways if there
are problems with the new unit that you get
... and what the CRT actually does when you
get it on your desktop
plus if it shows up with something seriously
wrong, newegg will help for the 1st 30 days
| Quote: | fwiw, my prior response was intended to caution
you that getting an acceptable CRT monitor is
likely going to take one or two returns
Plus, shipping fees are expensive!!
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UPS ground is cheap
since you're in LA, it won't take
much of a beating (assuming they ship
it from City Of Industry, which is
where mine were shipped from)
the outfit Philips uses for repair,
Teleplan, is in Kentucky; and they
use DHL ground both ways (the best, imo).
they pay both way for the 1st 12 months.
years 2/3, you pay to send it, but they
still pay for the return
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willbill
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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Bob Myers wrote:
| Quote: | "chrisv" wrote
Good luck with that. No one wants to stock bulky and unfashionable
CRT monitors anymore.
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fwiw, CRT monitors are clearly still the best
i know that you know that, but it's clear to
me the bob myers is a fan boy of flat screen
| Quote: | Which is primarily because no one wants to make them anymore.
Not the monitors, so much - there are still any number of places in
Taiwan, China, etc., that could do that - but the CRTs themselves.
Samsung's still making desktop-monitor types of CRTs in Korea,
but outside of that the vast majority of monitor CRT product (what's
left of it, at least) is in mainland China and elsewhere in S.E. Asia,
and it's almost completely aimed at very entry-level products.
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fwiw, both my new Philips 22" CRT and 19" CRT
monitors are made in China
fwiw#2, i also have a very recent and very
decent 20" (4x3) Samsung 204B (1600x1200)
both Philips CRTs (shadom mask units) are
hands down better than the decent Samsung
204B flat screen, despite my aggrevation
with having to return them (the CRTs)
3x (so far)
no cost (for the returns) = no worries
assumming that the returned units will
give life for up to 10 years (like my
great ViewSonic 21" PT813 did)
i should be so lucky with the Samsung 204B
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Bob Myers
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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"willbill" <trek@worldwide.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | what's wrong with buying mail order?
Because I won't be able to see the monitors in person. I want to see them
in person before I purchase. I want to be sure my eyes approve the
monitor. :)
imho, you need to start thinking straight
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In MY humble opinion, he's thinking just right already.
| Quote: | just seeing the monitor in a store means nothing.
the pix that newegg provides are adequate for that
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Wow - you can see whether or not you like the overall image quality, the
focus (since we're talking about a CRT here), the geometry (ditto),
the contrast, etc., etc., etc. from looking at a photo on a web site?
That's pretty impressive.
| Quote: | what really counts are the specs and whether
there is free shipping both ways if there
are problems with the new unit that you get
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Specs are meaningful only if (a) you are given a complete and
accurate set, (b) you know how to interpret them, and (c) all
of the products you're looking at provide the needed specs
using the same measurement methods and with the numbers
presented in a standard, comparable form. Without (a) and
(c), you don't really know much of anything, and few customers
are really capable of (b).
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willbill
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:28 am Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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Bob Myers wrote:
| Quote: | "willbill" <trek@worldwide.net> wrote
i know that you know that, but it's clear to
me the bob myers is a fan boy of flat screen
"The" bob myers? Wow...I'm a "the."
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yes you are a "the"
do you still work for HP?
even if you don't, you clearly still
present youself as a "the"
| Quote: | But no, I'm not a "fan boy"
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very doubtful
in my extensive experience with the
web's usenet, yes you *are* a fan boy
of both flat screen PC monitors, and
also of Intel CPUs, even though you
very recently started an interesting
thread in the ..chips newsgroup
regarding you having actually
recently bought an AMD CPU/modo
| Quote: | - I'm just someone who's been working in computer monitors
and other electronic displays for about 25 years now.
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what a bunch of crud!
again, do you still work for HP?
| Quote: | The fact is
that the "flat screen," and specifically the LCD, is the 800-pound
gorilla in this market right now.
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my very recent experience with CRT and
high end digital flat screen sez otherwize
the 800-pound gorilla is still the CRT
(in more ways than one). why is it that
you are so truly dumb on this?
you are a fan boy. admit it!
all ears
bill
| Quote: | It may not always be so (although
there's certainly nothing on the horizon which is going to challenge
the LCD in the short term), but for now, it IS the truth. The CRT
has had a long (over 100 years) and distinguished history - and as
I said, it IS still the best at SOME things. The problem is that those
"some things" are not sufficiently important to the overall market to
justify continued CRT production for mainstream products. Hence
we see CRT plants shut down. You might not like that, but that's
not going to change what IS.
Bob M. |
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Bob Myers
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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"willbill" <trek@worldwide.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Bob Myers wrote:
"chrisv" wrote
Good luck with that. No one wants to stock bulky and unfashionable
CRT monitors anymore.
fwiw, CRT monitors are clearly still the best
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"Best" is a value judgement, and it clearly depends on exactly what
you're looking for in a monitor. There most definitely are some areas
in which the CRT excels - there are others where it doesn't. The right
choice of monitor depends on what each individual is looking for.
By the way, be a bit more careful with your attributions. I didn't
write anything you've quoted above. I THINK chrisv wrote the line
beginning with "Good luck with that...," and he's completely right.
It's hard to find retail outlets that are willing to give shelf space to
CRT products these days. Not impossible, just hard. The CRT
monitors which are available now are almost entirely low-cost, entry-
level products on which the retailer (and the manufacturer, for that
matter) sees very little margin. Not that LCDs are much more
profitable - monitor LCD panels, with the exception of the high end
of that market, are basically commodity items today, with prices
not much over manufacturing costs.
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i know that you know that, but it's clear to
me the bob myers is a fan boy of flat screen
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"The" bob myers? Wow...I'm a "the." But no, I'm not a "fan
boy" - I'm just someone who's been working in computer monitors
and other electronic displays for about 25 years now. The fact is
that the "flat screen," and specifically the LCD, is the 800-pound
gorilla in this market right now. It may not always be so (although
there's certainly nothing on the horizon which is going to challenge
the LCD in the short term), but for now, it IS the truth. The CRT
has had a long (over 100 years) and distinguished history - and as
I said, it IS still the best at SOME things. The problem is that those
"some things" are not sufficiently important to the overall market to
justify continued CRT production for mainstream products. Hence
we see CRT plants shut down. You might not like that, but that's
not going to change what IS.
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willbill
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: Re: What local retail stores still sell CRT monitors? |
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Bob Myers wrote:
| Quote: | "willbill" <trek@worldwide.net> wrote in message
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what's wrong with buying mail order?
Because I won't be able to see the monitors in person. I want to see them
in person before I purchase. I want to be sure my eyes approve the
monitor. :)
imho, you need to start thinking straight
In MY humble opinion, he's thinking just right already.
just seeing the monitor in a store means nothing.
the pix that newegg provides are adequate for that
Wow - you can see whether or not you like the overall image quality, the
focus (since we're talking about a CRT here), the geometry (ditto),
the contrast, etc., etc., etc. from looking at a photo on a web site?
That's pretty impressive.
what really counts are the specs and whether
there is free shipping both ways if there
are problems with the new unit that you get
Specs are meaningful only if (a) you are given a complete and
accurate set, (b) you know how to interpret them, and (c) all
of the products you're looking at provide the needed specs
using the same measurement methods and with the numbers
presented in a standard, comparable form. Without (a) and
(c), you don't really know much of anything, and few customers
are really capable of (b).
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wow, you really are a fan boy of flat screen. :(
do you still work for HP?
anyhow, to me what is most meaningful is the
1st 30 days that you have a new monitor
short of that, the specs and dimensions get
my vote
despite the hassle i've gone thru with my
new 22" Philips CRT, it gets my vote over
my also new 20" Samsung 204B flatscreen
i routinely run the 22" CRT at 1920x1440
(75hz refresh) to 800x600 (75) to 640x480
(when i boot). :)
my Philips 19" CRT is usable at 1600x1200
and cost less than the 204B. :)
what's really still better are the blacks
and the gray scale and the response
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