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DotNettie
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 Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: Help with mobo upgrade |
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Was going to buy a new pc, but have decided to wait a bit and have my spouse
build me a system later this year.
However, I did want to try Vista. I have used the Msoft advisor and I think
the specs are a bit misleading. Used Cnets, and I think theirs is a bit more
realistic, so my system needs to juiced up a bit.
I have an Asus P4-TE mobo with a Northwood P4 2.2 and a 1GB of rambus
memory. The memory is an issue, but I have 4 256 sticks on the motherboard.
To replace them with 4 512's is half the cost of a new system!
So, I have looked around the web for some motherboard/CPU combos and have
found some very reasonably priced with Prescott P4 3.0 ghz chips and
motherboards for under 150.00. I have not priced the memory needed because I
haven't yet selected a board, but I'd bet whatever it is, it doesn't cost
whar RDRAM does.
What would be a decent selection for a CPU/mobo combination that would
accomodate such an upgrade. I would keep my GeForce6800 videocard and SB
Audigy card. The videocard is AGP so my selection of boards would be
somewhat limited.
Thanks a lot.
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Paul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Help with mobo upgrade |
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DotNettie wrote:
| Quote: | Was going to buy a new pc, but have decided to wait a bit and have my spouse
build me a system later this year.
However, I did want to try Vista. I have used the Msoft advisor and I think
the specs are a bit misleading. Used Cnets, and I think theirs is a bit more
realistic, so my system needs to juiced up a bit.
I have an Asus P4-TE mobo with a Northwood P4 2.2 and a 1GB of rambus
memory. The memory is an issue, but I have 4 256 sticks on the motherboard.
To replace them with 4 512's is half the cost of a new system!
So, I have looked around the web for some motherboard/CPU combos and have
found some very reasonably priced with Prescott P4 3.0 ghz chips and
motherboards for under 150.00. I have not priced the memory needed because I
haven't yet selected a board, but I'd bet whatever it is, it doesn't cost
whar RDRAM does.
What would be a decent selection for a CPU/mobo combination that would
accomodate such an upgrade. I would keep my GeForce6800 videocard and SB
Audigy card. The videocard is AGP so my selection of boards would be
somewhat limited.
Thanks a lot.
D.
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This is the "LGA775 AGP" list, and they tend to all be in the
"budget" catagory.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=2010200280+1070509908+1073407577&Subcategory=280
This one is an attempt to straddle the old and new worlds. It has
a PCI Express slot and an AGP slot. But the PCI Express is only
wired with x4 speed, instead of the normal x16. That is because
the PCI Express lanes actually come off the Southbridge. Also,
it has four DIMM slots, but two are DDR and two are DDR2. Which
means two sticks max at any one time. The comments here suggest
the AGP slot is the best for video, and maybe DDR memory would be
a good choice as well. But the thing is, if you want to reuse
the memory later this year, in a new build, you'd probably want
to go with DDR2. What I cannot tell you, is if the motherboard
is smart enough to automatically select DDR2-667 if you give
it DDR2-800. So the question would be, exactly what kind of memory
to use, so that you can get reuse of the memory later.
Asrock 775Dual-VSTA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?Item=N82E16813157092
Manual and CPU list.
http://www.asrock.com/manual/775Dual-VSTA.pdf
http://www.asrock.com/mb/cpu.asp?Model=775Dual-VSTA&s=
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SteveH
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Help with mobo upgrade |
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"DotNettie" <msdimpnospampleeze@localnet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Was going to buy a new pc, but have decided to wait a bit and have my
spouse build me a system later this year.
However, I did want to try Vista. I have used the Msoft advisor and I
think the specs are a bit misleading. Used Cnets, and I think theirs is a
bit more realistic, so my system needs to juiced up a bit.
I have an Asus P4-TE mobo with a Northwood P4 2.2 and a 1GB of rambus
memory. The memory is an issue, but I have 4 256 sticks on the
motherboard. To replace them with 4 512's is half the cost of a new
system!
So, I have looked around the web for some motherboard/CPU combos and have
found some very reasonably priced with Prescott P4 3.0 ghz chips and
motherboards for under 150.00. I have not priced the memory needed because
I haven't yet selected a board, but I'd bet whatever it is, it doesn't
cost whar RDRAM does.
What would be a decent selection for a CPU/mobo combination that would
accomodate such an upgrade. I would keep my GeForce6800 videocard and SB
Audigy card. The videocard is AGP so my selection of boards would be
somewhat limited.
Thanks a lot.
D.
I would just try Vista (if you must - its not much of an improvement, if at |
all).
I think your PC will run it, it just may be a bit slow.
I've got a better CPU than you (AMD X2/4600), but I've got a gig of memory
and a 7300GT video card (not that much better than yours) and Vista RC1 runs
fine on it.
Not that it will be staying on my PC, I'll wait until the first service pack
arrives I think.
Just a thought, why not install Vista alongside your existing o/s? This is
what I've done - mine dual boots Vista and XP.
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VanShania
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Help with mobo upgrade |
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I think you would be making a big mistake upgrading your computer at this
stage of the technology change that is happening right now. Trying to hang
on to your AGP 6800 is unfortunately a mistake, especially since you want to
use Vista. Yes its a good card but AGP has been extinct for almost a year
now and the performance from it as compared to the PCI Express is sub par at
best. If I were you, I would go down to your local library and read all the
recent computer mags from Maximum PC, CPU, PC World and see what they have
to say about what is the best parts for Intel. When you upgrade, you want to
"future proof" your computer so that upgrading isn't such a hassle or more
expensive than it has to be. There is also a new motherboard coming out for
intel chips later this year that you may want to have a look at. If you need
to upgrade now, AMD's AM2 standard is the cheapest way to go and it has good
performance. Yes you will have to get new ddr2 ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145590
as you would if you went with Intel. Do lots of research before upgrading or
your just going to end up with another frustrating computer.
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VanShania
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: Help with mobo upgrade |
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If you must go intel use one of these motherboards
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DEPA=0&type=&Description=asus+p5b+deluxe&Submit=ENE&N=0&Ntk=all
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Stop Violence and Child Abuse.
No such thing as Bad Kids. Only Bad Parents.
It is violent/abusive/neglectful parents that churn out the serial
killers/murderers/child molesters etc.
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MSI 550 Pro, X-Fi, Pioneer 110D, 111D
Antec 550 watt,Thermaltake Lanfire,2 Gb OCZ Platinum 2-3-2-5
2XSATA 320gb Raid Edition, PATA 120Gb
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DotNettie
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Help with mobo upgrade |
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"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I don't know, had only assumed you needed a full ATX not
mATX board, and would probably pick this,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127228
It's a tough call though, I'd also be thinking about
spending more to upgrade to a PCI Express based platform and
a Core2Duo CPU, but of course it will cost $100 more just
for that and you'd then need to replace the video card too.
The one thing making me think more about it is that you'd be
buying 2GB of memory for a lower performing system (either
the socket 754 CPU mentioned previously or the P4 Prescott
you'd mentioned are both significantly slower and with
lesser total lifespan due to the older motherboard (lesser
feature sets), but it could be that you won't upgrade the
system again, some people do and some don't.
It seems like it's always a tough call for me to pick
between cheaper last generation parts which are a great
value and more for current generation, just moreso with a
plan to buy a lot of memory for it.
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I am grateful that you took the time to help. You are right in that this PC
will never be upgraded again. This box will be used as my husband's PC and
the family backup system. It will replace our old Micron, 1998 vintage which
is still running and functional, if you can believe it.
Anyhow, I will do some more research and select a board, CPU and memory and
leave the rest of the PC intact, as there is no need I don't think to do
anymore with this system. A few hundred dollars can get it a bit more Vista
ready with the budget more concentrated on selecting components for the
"dream PC".
I did do a bit of searching around before I posted here and the fastest chip
this Asus P4-TE can handle is a Northwood 2.8. The FSB is only 400mhz which
severely limits the choices. The 2.8 CPU is not readily available, but I did
find one at Powerleap for $229. (That would be more then the entire upgrade
cost with your suggestions)The memory costs 3-400 for 1 gb stick. At the
time I bought this PC, I didn't realize RDRAM was such a ripoff. I had
already replaced the videocard with the vanilla 6800 because the board is
AGP and this was the most it could handle.
Again, my thanks to you and other posters who took the time to help. Hope I
can get off the merry-g--round soon. LOL because I know that won't happen.
D. |
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