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John Lewis
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 Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:37 am Post subject: A very sad tale......... |
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See:-
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2911
There was a time when buying an Abit board was a near 100% guarantee
of a first-quality product even when first shipped. I bought one of
the very first IC7-G motherboards; still in one of my PCs --- nary a
problem, updated the BIOS a couple of times for very MINOR
improvements.
Now buyer beware... as with all other motherboards, read all available
reviews before taking the plunge; Abit in name, not Abit in substance
any more.
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Richard Hopkins
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:31 am Post subject: Re: A very sad tale......... |
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"John Lewis" wrote in message ...
| Quote: | Now buyer beware... as with all other motherboards, read all available
reviews before taking the plunge; Abit in name, not Abit in substance
any more.
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John, I'm genuinely interested: Do you do anything other than surf the web
looking for anti-Abit stories to post in this group? Surely you should be
busy enough running your shop?
Either way, I can't help but think you're slacking, as this review seems to
be generally very positive, with the criticisms being reserved for the
JMicron controller, uGuru software utility and immature BIOS.
The JMicron issues have affected every board that uses this part, but the
fix is already widely available - something the reviewer doesn't seem to be
aware of. The AB9 Pro, JMB36x issues aside has been a thoroughly sorted and
generally excellent board for some time, and it didn't take long for its
initial issues to be fixed.
As the 1.0 BIOS used in Anandtech's review was compiled over a month back,
it's a fair bet that a new release will be along soon. uGuru has been
updated recently so it'll be interesting to see whether the
incompatibilities noted in the review are still present.
I've just taken decided to replace a trusty Northwood/IC7 Max3 setup with a
system based on the AB9 QuadGT, so it'll be interesting to draw my own
conclusions.
In the meantime, as a recent thread demonstrated, Abit may now be called
Universal Abit, but all the old regulars, bar Homie, are still around. Qed
still talks in a language that only dolphins can understand, and John Lewis
still seems to do nothing else but whine about Abit. Plus ca change...
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Richard Hopkins
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
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The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com |
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Richard Hopkins
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: Re: A very sad tale......... |
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"John Lewis" wrote in message ...
| Quote: | Now buyer beware... as with all other motherboards, read all available
reviews before taking the plunge; Abit in name, not Abit in substance
any more.
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John, I'm genuinely interested: Do you do anything other than surf the web
looking for anti-Abit stories to post in this group? Why, given the myriad
alternative brands available, are you *still here*? Are you a promiscuous
whiner, flitting about between here and the various other manufacturers
spreading negative vibes, or do you confine your commentaries strictly to
the one brand? If not, Matrox could do with a kick up the ***, care to
oblige?
Surely by now you should have given up here and found a manufacturer you can
share warm hugs and cocoa with? It's obvious Abit don't give a *** what you
think, but suck it in, and go lick an Asus Commando. You never know, you
might like the taste.
Whatever your motivation, I can't help but think you're slacking, as this
review seems to be generally very positive, with the criticisms being
reserved for the JMicron controller, uGuru software utility and immature
BIOS.
The JMicron issues have affected every board that uses this part, but the
fix is already widely available - something the reviewer doesn't seem to be
aware of. The AB9 Pro has since around BIOS 1.5 been a sorted and generally
excellent board, quirky layout aside, and it didn't take long for the most
significant of its initial issues to be fixed.
The QuadGT review, among other things, comments on the "excellent job" Abit
did with the physical layout and reports "absolutely superb" overclocking
performance. As such the basics already seem to be there.
As the 1.0 BIOS used in Anandtech's review was compiled over a month back,
it's a fair bet that a new release will be along soon. uGuru has been
updated recently so it'll be interesting to see whether the
incompatibilities noted in the review are still present.
I've just taken decided to replace a trusty Northwood/IC7 Max3 setup with a
system based on the AB9 QuadGT, so it'll be interesting to draw my own
conclusions.
It's also somewhat ironic to see you casting the IC7-G as the poster child
as "everything that was" about Abit, while picking out a review that singles
out an immature BIOS for criticism. From what I recall, the IC7-G's early
BIOS releases were a bit, well, off, and it's by no means the first Abit
board to exhibit this "feature". Maybe history isn't as rosy as you thought.
Oh well, as a recent thread demonstrated, Abit may now be called
Universal Abit, but all the old regulars, bar Homie, are still around. Qed
still talks in a language that only dolphins can understand, and John Lewis
still seems to do nothing else but whine about Abit. Plus ca change...
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Richard Hopkins
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
(replace nospam with pipex in reply address)
The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com |
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John Lewis
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: Re: A very sad tale......... |
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:11:11 -0000, "Richard Hopkins"
<richh@dsl.nospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "John Lewis" wrote in message ...
Now buyer beware... as with all other motherboards, read all available
reviews before taking the plunge; Abit in name, not Abit in substance
any more.
John, I'm genuinely interested: Do you do anything other than surf the web
looking for anti-Abit stories to post in this group? Surely you should be
busy enough running your shop?
Either way, I can't help but think you're slacking, as this review seems to
be generally very positive, with the criticisms being reserved for the
JMicron controller, uGuru software utility and immature BIOS.
The JMicron issues have affected every board that uses this part, but the
fix is already widely available - something the reviewer doesn't seem to be
aware of.
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If the problem was "well known" then why did (Universal) Abit did not
bother to fix the problem before they shipped the board for review.
QA personnel too lazy to fully test the product and/or keep track of
major component-related issues at other board vendors?? Nor did Abit
warn the reviewer in advance of the failure mode. The evidence points
to Anand's reviewer being the very first person to put this board
through all its paces.
Better look inside the QuadGT early-shipment retail box for a errata
list detailing this (and any other functional failures) . Takes 3-4
months for a BIOS fix to percolate into shipping product. All product
before the fix of a major functional error should contain a written
warning/ work-around/ free return-shipping offer. Not everybody wants
to risk the DIY of a mandatory BIOS update and may wish to return the
board. Especially when it affects the efficiency of main-stream
components such IDE-compatible CD/DVD drives. SATA drives of this type
bring no functional advantage and a very poor selection is currently
available. Besides all the other real issues that the reviewer found.
As the review stated:-
"The issues we discovered during testing make us wonder if the light
is on at abit's quality assurance department."
| Quote: | The AB9 Pro, JMB36x issues aside has been a thoroughly sorted and
generally excellent board for some time, and it didn't take long for its
initial issues to be fixed.
As the 1.0 BIOS used in Anandtech's review was compiled over a month back,
it's a fair bet that a new release will be along soon.
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Really ? I do hope that any shipment of the QuadGT boards by Abit to
the retail channel have been halted until all the problems reported in
this review have been fixed.
| Quote: | uGuru has been
updated recently so it'll be interesting to see whether the
incompatibilities noted in the review are still present.
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Really. Hopefully Abit will also be shipping updated install-CDs with
the Quad-GT to correct the uGuru memory voltage problem and none of
the originals ever get to the retail channel. Or will Abit pay for
inadvertently fried memory also ???
| Quote: | I've just taken decided to replace a trusty Northwood/IC7 Max3 setup with a
system based on the AB9 QuadGT, so it'll be interesting to draw my own
conclusions.
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Do enjoy updating the BIOS. Hope you don't get a programming failure.
Make sure that Dabs has a liberal exchange policy.
| Quote: | In the meantime, as a recent thread demonstrated, Abit may now be called
Universal Abit, but all the old regulars, bar Homie, are still around. Qed
still talks in a language that only dolphins can understand, and John Lewis
still seems to do nothing else but whine about Abit.
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Sad to see Abit falling on hard times. Seems as if they had to fire an
excellent QA group during their hardship times. If the QuadGT and its
supporting software are being shipped in the same state as snapshot
for this review, then I recommend avoidance until the fixes are in
place and the non-fixed retail inventory is purged.
Your brand-loyalty is highly commendable. But your logic seems to be
dangerously clouded by this loyalty.
John Lewis
| Quote: | Plus ca change...
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Richard Hopkins
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
(replace nospam with pipex in reply address)
The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
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Richard Hopkins
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:19 am Post subject: Re: A very sad tale......... |
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"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message...
| Quote: | If the problem was "well known" then why did (Universal) Abit did
not bother to fix the problem before they shipped the board for review.
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They may well have thought they had. It originally only presented on certain
brands of optical drive. As JMicron tried to fix it with BIOS and driver
updates, the number of optical drives that work properly increased. If you
haven't heard of the issues this controller has, then you really haven't
been slagging off enough motherboard manufacturers.
| Quote: | Really ? I do hope that any shipment of the QuadGT boards by Abit
to the retail channel have been halted until all the problems reported
in this review have been fixed.
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Bloody hope not, as I'm expecting mine this or next week.
| Quote: | Do enjoy updating the BIOS. Hope you don't get a programming failure.
Make sure that Dabs has a liberal exchange policy.
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Rofl, I've been flashing BIOSes for something like 15 years now John, and if
you've any memory at all you'll know I've flashed a fair few more of them
than the average user. Not fried one yet, and while my hand is firmly
touching wood, I've no reason to believe that any new board will be less
robust than the last. Maybe if the BIOS really is pants, I'll start rolling
my own again, give Abit a bit of a helping hand eh?
| Quote: | Your brand-loyalty is highly commendable. But your logic seems to
be dangerously clouded by this loyalty.
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Heheheheh, your "brand loyalty" is the only thing that's difficult to fathom
round here. As intimated above, you must be a right glutton for punishment
if you're still here after all these years, trying to convince us how crap
the company is. What's your beef, you bought a slew of Abit shares, the MD
pork your wife or something?
If you can point us to some "John Lewis critiques Gigabyte"-type articles,
I'm sure we'd all love to see how balanced your criticism is!
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Richard Hopkins
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Hellraiser
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: A very sad tale......... |
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| Quote: | Heheheheh, your "brand loyalty" is the only thing that's difficult to
fathom round here. As intimated above, you must be a right glutton for
punishment if you're still here after all these years, trying to convince
us how crap the company is. What's your beef, you bought a slew of Abit
shares, the MD pork your wife or something?
If you can point us to some "John Lewis critiques Gigabyte"-type articles,
I'm sure we'd all love to see how balanced your criticism is!
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LOL, who is this clown? I've been flashing BIOSes myself for at least the
last 15 years or so, and the only one that died was one I forced the wrong
BIOS into, and that was fixed with a second board and a bit of
"hot-flashing". Abit make excellent boards, and this is the reason why when
I went down the Core 2 route, an AB9 Pro was top of the list. ICH8R
controller? No other manufacturer has one at this price point. Excellent
over clocking performance, and solid (after flashing the BIOS - couldn't
install XP on the 1.4, due to the ubiquitous JMB issue). Now runs solid as
a rock 24/7, and once again I'm glad I bought Abit.
Perhaps if he weren't such a ***, he'd have better luck with 'em......
Hellraiser................> |
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Richard Hopkins
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: A very sad tale......... |
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"Hellraiser" <hellraiser1.nospam@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message...
| Quote: | LOL, who is this clown?
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You know the law of relativity - for every action there's an equal and
opposite reaction? Well, I think John is the equal and opposite reaction to
the Abit fanboy. He only exists because of a quirk in the law of physics!
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Richard Hopkins
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The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com |
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Hellraiser
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: Re: A very sad tale......... |
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"Richard Hopkins" <richh@dsl.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:-sGdnWFfVO9_A13YnZ2dnUVZ8seinZ2d@pipex.net...
| Quote: | "Hellraiser" <hellraiser1.nospam@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message...
LOL, who is this clown?
You know the law of relativity - for every action there's an equal and
opposite reaction? Well, I think John is the equal and opposite reaction
to the Abit fanboy. He only exists because of a quirk in the law of
physics!
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*** those pesky quirks  What would happen if John and a fanboy came
together - would it be like matter and antimatter, a big bang and all of a
sudden the entire universe disappears?
Hellraiser................> |
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John Lewis
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:14 am Post subject: Re: A very sad tale......... |
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:50:54 -0000, "Richard Hopkins"
<richh@dsl.nospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Hellraiser" <hellraiser1.nospam@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message...
LOL, who is this clown?
You know the law of relativity - for every action there's an equal and
opposite reaction? Well, I think John is the equal and opposite reaction to
the Abit fanboy. He only exists because of a quirk in the law of physics!
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Hey, Dickie,
Time to check in.....a week has passed.
Got your QuadGT yet ? Or is it still on the slow boat from Taiwan (or
China?) to the UK ?
Any problems ?
John Lewis
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The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
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