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olli
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:17 am    Post subject: Correct Speed for an AMD Athlon 3000+ Reply with quote
I have had my PC with an AMD Athlon 3000+ for a couple of years now. I
couldn't actually remember the model yesterday and was considering
buying Oblivion, so I wanted to check my hardware. What I have noticed
is that the speed is reported at 1.75 Ghz. I verified this by running
AMDs CPU Info. Now, I'm not a hardware expert, but I believe this comes
from bus speed x multiplier = 166 Mhz x (21/2) = 1,743. I know my
motherboard allows a maximum FSB speed of up to 2 Ghz, so, if I set
this, I would then have a CPU speed of 2,100, which seems nearer to the
Athlon 3000+ spec.

So my questions are:

1. What is the recommended speed for this CPU?
2. Would increasing the speed cause stability problems? The current
speed of 166 is the default on the motherboard on "Auto" settings. (MSI
MS-6729). Stability is my main concern as I also use my PC for work
reasons.

I should add that when I first got the computer, it randomly crashed a
lot of the time, but this problem was sorted by replacing the memory. I
now have 2 x Nanya 512 Mb DDR-SDRAM (PC3200U).

Thanks,
Oliver Lippold
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Venom
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: Re: Correct Speed for an AMD Athlon 3000+ Reply with quote
Barton XP 3000+ - 2167 (166x13.0)

Barton XP 3000+ - 2100 (200x10.5)


"olli" <olippold@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
I have had my PC with an AMD Athlon 3000+ for a couple of years now. I
couldn't actually remember the model yesterday and was considering
buying Oblivion, so I wanted to check my hardware. What I have noticed
is that the speed is reported at 1.75 Ghz. I verified this by running
AMDs CPU Info. Now, I'm not a hardware expert, but I believe this comes
from bus speed x multiplier = 166 Mhz x (21/2) = 1,743. I know my
motherboard allows a maximum FSB speed of up to 2 Ghz, so, if I set
this, I would then have a CPU speed of 2,100, which seems nearer to the
Athlon 3000+ spec.

So my questions are:

1. What is the recommended speed for this CPU?
2. Would increasing the speed cause stability problems? The current
speed of 166 is the default on the motherboard on "Auto" settings. (MSI
MS-6729). Stability is my main concern as I also use my PC for work
reasons.

I should add that when I first got the computer, it randomly crashed a
lot of the time, but this problem was sorted by replacing the memory. I
now have 2 x Nanya 512 Mb DDR-SDRAM (PC3200U).

Thanks,
Oliver Lippold
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Wes Newell
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:17 am    Post subject: Re: Correct Speed for an AMD Athlon 3000+ Reply with quote
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:17:12 -0700, olli wrote:

Quote:
I have had my PC with an AMD Athlon 3000+ for a couple of years now. I
couldn't actually remember the model yesterday and was considering
buying Oblivion, so I wanted to check my hardware. What I have noticed
is that the speed is reported at 1.75 Ghz. I verified this by running
AMDs CPU Info. Now, I'm not a hardware expert, but I believe this comes
from bus speed x multiplier = 166 Mhz x (21/2) = 1,743. I know my
motherboard allows a maximum FSB speed of up to 2 Ghz, so, if I set
this, I would then have a CPU speed of 2,100, which seems nearer to the
Athlon 3000+ spec.

So my questions are:

1. What is the recommended speed for this CPU?

There are many different AMD 3000+ models. Default speeds vary from 1.8GHz
to 2.167GHz depending on model. I'm guessing (from what you wrote) that
you have an AXDA3000DKV4D cpu, and its default speed is 2.167GHz (13x166).

Quote:
2. Would increasing the speed cause stability problems? The current
speed of 166 is the default on the motherboard on "Auto" settings. (MSI
MS-6729). Stability is my main concern as I also use my PC for work
reasons.

You should be able to run it at its default speed at a minimum. However,

you could have a K8 3000+ and the default speed for it is, well, depending
on which K8 model, 1.6GHz to 2.0Ghz.:-)


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Zephyr
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Correct Speed for an AMD Athlon 3000+ Reply with quote
Curious;

Why would they call a CPU +3000 when it actually is running slower. Why not
call a truck a truck and a car a car?

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Quote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:17:12 -0700, olli wrote:

I have had my PC with an AMD Athlon 3000+ for a couple of years now. I
couldn't actually remember the model yesterday and was considering
buying Oblivion, so I wanted to check my hardware. What I have noticed
is that the speed is reported at 1.75 Ghz. I verified this by running
AMDs CPU Info. Now, I'm not a hardware expert, but I believe this comes
from bus speed x multiplier = 166 Mhz x (21/2) = 1,743. I know my
motherboard allows a maximum FSB speed of up to 2 Ghz, so, if I set
this, I would then have a CPU speed of 2,100, which seems nearer to the
Athlon 3000+ spec.

So my questions are:

1. What is the recommended speed for this CPU?

There are many different AMD 3000+ models. Default speeds vary from 1.8GHz
to 2.167GHz depending on model. I'm guessing (from what you wrote) that
you have an AXDA3000DKV4D cpu, and its default speed is 2.167GHz (13x166).

2. Would increasing the speed cause stability problems? The current
speed of 166 is the default on the motherboard on "Auto" settings. (MSI
MS-6729). Stability is my main concern as I also use my PC for work
reasons.

You should be able to run it at its default speed at a minimum. However,
you could have a K8 3000+ and the default speed for it is, well, depending
on which K8 model, 1.6GHz to 2.0Ghz.:-)


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Wes Newell
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Correct Speed for an AMD Athlon 3000+ Reply with quote
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:12:17 -0700, Zephyr wrote:

Quote:
Curious;

Why would they call a CPU +3000 when it actually is running slower. Why not
call a truck a truck and a car a car?

Because the public is just flat ignorant. And most are flat stupid and
don't know that the clock speed of the CPU can't be used to compare 2
different types of cpu's. With the original Athlon, the performance of the
cpu was about clock for clock with Intels PIII. When Intel released the P4
which had a much higher clock speed but lousy performance per clock it
gave Intel a real marketing advantage. And they also duped the ignorant
and stupid public still to this day. I'm Still seeing people buy the old
P4 because the clock speed is so much higher than the newer much more
powerful AMD 64's, and even Core 2 Duo's. The performance ratings were
used to give a more even marketing field for AMD. And all this has carried
over into other things like bogus FSB speeds, and the last one of bogus
ram bus speeds. All to get the numbers higher to one up the competition
and fool the public. Towards the end of the K7 line AMD went overboard
with the the XP3200+ IMO, but Brought it back more inline with the A64.
IOW's, compare an XP 3200+ system to an A64 3200+ system and look how far
behind the XP is in performance. The XP 3200+ was vastly over rated IMO.
And you'll see the same thing at the top of the A64 line.

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olli
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Correct Speed for an AMD Athlon 3000+ Reply with quote
Thanks to everyone who helped me, but I've now got it working
correctly. I had a choice between the 2 different 3000+ CPUs, but read
somewhere that the motherboard usually gets the multiplier correct. So
I assumed therefore it was the later model, changed the FSB to 200, and
it recognised the CPU correctly. This makes sense as the memory also
runs at 200, so now it's all 1:1

Oliver


olli wrote:
Quote:
I have had my PC with an AMD Athlon 3000+ for a couple of years now. I
couldn't actually remember the model yesterday and was considering
buying Oblivion, so I wanted to check my hardware. What I have noticed
is that the speed is reported at 1.75 Ghz. I verified this by running
AMDs CPU Info. Now, I'm not a hardware expert, but I believe this comes
from bus speed x multiplier = 166 Mhz x (21/2) = 1,743. I know my
motherboard allows a maximum FSB speed of up to 2 Ghz, so, if I set
this, I would then have a CPU speed of 2,100, which seems nearer to the
Athlon 3000+ spec.

So my questions are:

1. What is the recommended speed for this CPU?
2. Would increasing the speed cause stability problems? The current
speed of 166 is the default on the motherboard on "Auto" settings. (MSI
MS-6729). Stability is my main concern as I also use my PC for work
reasons.

I should add that when I first got the computer, it randomly crashed a
lot of the time, but this problem was sorted by replacing the memory. I
now have 2 x Nanya 512 Mb DDR-SDRAM (PC3200U).

Thanks,
Oliver Lippold
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Venom
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:36 am    Post subject: Re: Correct Speed for an AMD Athlon 3000+ Reply with quote
"olli" <olippold@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Thanks to everyone who helped me, but I've now got it working
correctly. I had a choice between the 2 different 3000+ CPUs, but read
somewhere that the motherboard usually gets the multiplier correct. So
I assumed therefore it was the later model, changed the FSB to 200, and
it recognised the CPU correctly. This makes sense as the memory also
runs at 200, so now it's all 1:1


Now download Cpuz and see if you are right.
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Zephyr
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:13 am    Post subject: Re: Correct Speed for an AMD Athlon 3000+ Reply with quote
Wes;

The newer CPU's from AMD perform how much better [in your opinion ] than the
older XP's?

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Quote:

"olli" <olippold@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks to everyone who helped me, but I've now got it working
correctly. I had a choice between the 2 different 3000+ CPUs, but read
somewhere that the motherboard usually gets the multiplier correct. So
I assumed therefore it was the later model, changed the FSB to 200, and
it recognised the CPU correctly. This makes sense as the memory also
runs at 200, so now it's all 1:1


Now download Cpuz and see if you are right.

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Wes Newell
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: Correct Speed for an AMD Athlon 3000+ Reply with quote
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:10:42 -0700, Zephyr wrote:

Quote:
The newer CPU's from AMD perform how much better [in your opinion ] than the
older XP's?

Well, the dual cores will do at least twice as much as any of the XP's,
and use less electricity doing it.

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Zephyr
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Re: Correct Speed for an AMD Athlon 3000+ Reply with quote
Thanks Wes;

That makes it a little clearer on the 'confusion.'

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Quote:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:10:42 -0700, Zephyr wrote:

The newer CPU's from AMD perform how much better [in your opinion ] than
the
older XP's?

Well, the dual cores will do at least twice as much as any of the XP's,
and use less electricity doing it.

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