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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:06 pm    Post subject: GA-965P-DS3 Installation comments Reply with quote

This ia another post of my experiences with my new GA-965P-DS3 board.
These are mostly Windows installation notes. My system has two SATA
hard drives (being used as standard drives in a non-RAID mode) and two
IDE optical drives (DVD burners).

Generally, the board is working well and I'm happy with it. I've had no
serious problems with it, but the BIOS seems just a tad less refined
than on my previous high-end Asus boards.

I chose this board while considering this board, the Asus P5B and the
MSI-P96-Neo-F. All 3 of these boards are substantially identical in
terms of base hardware, they all use the Intel 965 chipset, the Intel
ICH8 and a supplemental chip from JMicron (Gigabyte calls it a Gigabyte
SATA chip, but it's made by JMicron chip and apparently it's
substantially if not exactly identical to the one used in the Asus and
MSI boards). Consequently, some of these notes may apply to those
boards (and any boards using a similar configuration) as well. I would
have gotten the Asus board except for the fact that it doesn't have a
serial port on the back (there is a serial port present on the board,
but not only is there no connector for it on the back of the board, they
don't even give you the cable to connect to it using an expansion slot
bracket). Personally, if anyone made a board with two serial ports, two
IDE ports (4 drives) and a floppy port that supported two floppy drives,
I would have bought it. But no such board currently exists.

A SATA hard drive to be used in a non-RAID mode should ideally be
connected to one of the two SATA ports from the JMicron chip rather than
to the Intel ICH8. This is because the JMicron chip supports AHCI and
NCQ, while ICH8 does not, thus you may get higher performance using the
JMicron chip. However, when I did my installation this way, Windows
ended up installed on the hard drive as drive J: instead of drive C: (I
had various other storage devices connected, including USB devices, that
were assigned C: through Ismile. Because the ports on the JMicron
controller are driven through a device driver, they will apparently be
seen after any devices directly supported by the Intel chipset. The
solution to this was to put the drive on port 0 of the Intel chipset for
the Windows installation. Following installation, I moved the drive
back to the JMicron chipset, but once installed as C:, it continues to
be seen as C:. Problem solved.

You will need to use the "F6" driver for installation so that the
JMicron ports will be seen and available (even though the drive was
temporarily on ICH8, Windows installation still needed access to the
optical drives, which are IDE, and the JMicron chip is the IDE
controller as well). When you attempt to use the F6 driver, you will be
shown that it supports something like a half-dozen different chips, and
you will be asked to pick one. Problem is, nowhere in the Gigabyte
manual or on the baord is the part number of the chip given. Also, each
chip is listed twice, once for the SATA ports to be used in a RAID mode
and once in an AHCI mode (non-Raid). I therefore tried to select all of
various chips (you can install more than one F6 driver), at which point
it became clear that it apparently doesn't matter which chip you select,
they are in fact all the same. Of course you should select RAID or AHCI
based on your plans for using the two SATA ports.

If you plan to do any DOS type operations on drives connected to the
JMicron chip (and "drives" here includes both the SATA ports and the IDE
ports, and both hard drives and optical (CD/DVD) drives), you should
make up a DOS bootable floppy (or CD) that includes the DOS drivers for
the JMicron chip, and the necessary config.sys (and, for optical drives
(which need MSCDEX), autoexec.bat). Doing so will allow all of the
JMicron chip's ports (SATA and IDE) and connected drives to be seen from
DOS. The DOS driver is downloadable from the Gigabyte web site (it may
be on the CD, but I got it from the web site). The best DOS to use is
one extracted from Windows 98SE because it supports FAT32 and drives up
to 137GB. You can access and manipulate the first 137GB of drives over
137 gigabytes as long as you are VERY careful not to even attempt any
operation that would access any part of the drive beyond the first 137GB
(my drives are both 320GB).

Some people are reporting that you can't use both the SATA and the IDE
ports of the JMicron chip concurrently. If that is true at all, it is
only true when the SATA ports are used in a RAID mode. I have no
problems at all using two non-Raid SATA 320GB drives on the two JMicron
chip's SATA ports with two IDE optical drives on the IDE port.

Overall, I'm very happy with the GA-965P-DS3 so far. The Conroe / Core
2 Duo E6600 is blazingly fast. Disk I/O also seems far faster than it
was with my previous system (3.06GHz P4 with Hyperthreading, using
standard ATA/100 IDE drives).

If I have more comments, I will post them.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: GA-965P-DS3 Installation comments Reply with quote

"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
This ia another post of my experiences with my new GA-965P-DS3 board.
These are mostly Windows installation notes. My system has two SATA hard
drives (being used as standard drives in a non-RAID mode) and two IDE
optical drives (DVD burners).

Generally, the board is working well and I'm happy with it. I've had no
serious problems with it, but the BIOS seems just a tad less refined than
on my previous high-end Asus boards.

I chose this board while considering this board, the Asus P5B and the
MSI-P96-Neo-F. All 3 of these boards are substantially identical in
terms of base hardware, they all use the Intel 965 chipset, the Intel ICH8
and a supplemental chip from JMicron (Gigabyte calls it a Gigabyte SATA
chip, but it's made by JMicron chip and apparently it's substantially if
not exactly identical to the one used in the Asus and MSI boards).
Consequently, some of these notes may apply to those boards (and any
boards using a similar configuration) as well. I would have gotten the
Asus board except for the fact that it doesn't have a serial port on the
back (there is a serial port present on the board, but not only is there
no connector for it on the back of the board, they don't even give you the
cable to connect to it using an expansion slot bracket). Personally, if
anyone made a board with two serial ports, two IDE ports (4 drives) and a
floppy port that supported two floppy drives, I would have bought it. But
no such board currently exists.

A SATA hard drive to be used in a non-RAID mode should ideally be
connected to one of the two SATA ports from the JMicron chip rather than
to the Intel ICH8. This is because the JMicron chip supports AHCI and
NCQ, while ICH8 does not, thus you may get higher performance using the
JMicron chip. However, when I did my installation this way, Windows ended
up installed on the hard drive as drive J: instead of drive C: (I had
various other storage devices connected, including USB devices, that were
assigned C: through Ismile. Because the ports on the JMicron controller are
driven through a device driver, they will apparently be seen after any
devices directly supported by the Intel chipset. The solution to this was
to put the drive on port 0 of the Intel chipset for the Windows
installation. Following installation, I moved the drive back to the
JMicron chipset, but once installed as C:, it continues to be seen as C:.
Problem solved.

You will need to use the "F6" driver for installation so that the JMicron
ports will be seen and available (even though the drive was temporarily on
ICH8, Windows installation still needed access to the optical drives,
which are IDE, and the JMicron chip is the IDE controller as well). When
you attempt to use the F6 driver, you will be shown that it supports
something like a half-dozen different chips, and you will be asked to pick
one. Problem is, nowhere in the Gigabyte manual or on the baord is the
part number of the chip given. Also, each chip is listed twice, once for
the SATA ports to be used in a RAID mode and once in an AHCI mode
(non-Raid). I therefore tried to select all of various chips (you can
install more than one F6 driver), at which point it became clear that it
apparently doesn't matter which chip you select, they are in fact all the
same. Of course you should select RAID or AHCI based on your plans for
using the two SATA ports.

If you plan to do any DOS type operations on drives connected to the
JMicron chip (and "drives" here includes both the SATA ports and the IDE
ports, and both hard drives and optical (CD/DVD) drives), you should make
up a DOS bootable floppy (or CD) that includes the DOS drivers for the
JMicron chip, and the necessary config.sys (and, for optical drives (which
need MSCDEX), autoexec.bat). Doing so will allow all of the JMicron
chip's ports (SATA and IDE) and connected drives to be seen from DOS. The
DOS driver is downloadable from the Gigabyte web site (it may be on the
CD, but I got it from the web site). The best DOS to use is one extracted
from Windows 98SE because it supports FAT32 and drives up to 137GB. You
can access and manipulate the first 137GB of drives over 137 gigabytes as
long as you are VERY careful not to even attempt any operation that would
access any part of the drive beyond the first 137GB (my drives are both
320GB).

Some people are reporting that you can't use both the SATA and the IDE
ports of the JMicron chip concurrently. If that is true at all, it is
only true when the SATA ports are used in a RAID mode. I have no problems
at all using two non-Raid SATA 320GB drives on the two JMicron chip's SATA
ports with two IDE optical drives on the IDE port.

Overall, I'm very happy with the GA-965P-DS3 so far. The Conroe / Core 2
Duo E6600 is blazingly fast. Disk I/O also seems far faster than it was
with my previous system (3.06GHz P4 with Hyperthreading, using standard
ATA/100 IDE drives).

If I have more comments, I will post them.

Thks for posting this, I would never have know all this; I just purchased a
version 1.0 in a CompUSA closedown for U$ 75.; had to purch a 775 Centrino
to flash up to latest to get the E4300 to work; parts coming.
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