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phaeton
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 Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject: How Sticky Are CableModem AUPs? |
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I have Charter Cablemodem access. Like most any broadband provider
they mention 'no webservers, no ftp servers, no gameservers" etc. Just
*how* closely do they watch this?
I realize I'm the one breaking the rules and taking the risks, but I
would like to set up a small webserver at home. It will be very very
low bandwidth- mostly just to host small images like avatars and stuff
for a few forums I frequent. I will also like to have ftpd running on
it for the infrequent times of moving small files around (less than
2mb, in most cases). I understand the usual ports are blocked and I
know how to get around that.
I know it's against the rules, but has anyone ever done this
themselves? Ever get 'busted', and if so, what did they do? I have a
feeling that as long as I don't rock the boat too hard they either
won't notice or won't care as much.
But I could be wrong.
Thanks for any insight.
-phaeton |
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phaeton
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: How Sticky Are CableModem AUPs? |
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BR wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:50:44 -0700, phaeton wrote:
I realize I'm the one breaking the rules and taking the risks, but I
would like to set up a small webserver at home. It will be very very
low bandwidth- mostly just to host small images like avatars and stuff
for a few forums I frequent. I will also like to have ftpd running on
it for the infrequent times of moving small files around (less than 2mb,
in most cases). I understand the usual ports are blocked and I know how
to get around that.
Ummm. Don't most ISPs give you some web space to work with?
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Sure, and Charter is no exception. But using thier webspace isn't
nearly as fun as managing a cute little cyrix-150 netbsd machine and
teaching it tricks.
It's one of those 'it's the journey, not the destination' things. :-) |
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BR
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: How Sticky Are CableModem AUPs? |
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:50:44 -0700, phaeton wrote:
| Quote: | I realize I'm the one breaking the rules and taking the risks, but I
would like to set up a small webserver at home. It will be very very
low bandwidth- mostly just to host small images like avatars and stuff
for a few forums I frequent. I will also like to have ftpd running on
it for the infrequent times of moving small files around (less than 2mb,
in most cases). I understand the usual ports are blocked and I know how
to get around that.
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Ummm. Don't most ISPs give you some web space to work with? |
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David H. Lipman
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:58 am Post subject: Re: How Sticky Are CableModem AUPs? |
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From: "phaeton" <blahbleh666@hotmail.com>
| I have Charter Cablemodem access. Like most any broadband provider
| they mention 'no webservers, no ftp servers, no gameservers" etc. Just
| *how* closely do they watch this?
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| I realize I'm the one breaking the rules and taking the risks, but I
| would like to set up a small webserver at home. It will be very very
| low bandwidth- mostly just to host small images like avatars and stuff
| for a few forums I frequent. I will also like to have ftpd running on
| it for the infrequent times of moving small files around (less than
| 2mb, in most cases). I understand the usual ports are blocked and I
| know how to get around that.
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| I know it's against the rules, but has anyone ever done this
| themselves? Ever get 'busted', and if so, what did they do? I have a
| feeling that as long as I don't rock the boat too hard they either
| won't notice or won't care as much.
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| But I could be wrong.
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| Thanks for any insight.
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| -phaeton
Yes. A server is often a violation of an ISP's AUP/ToS. Normally ignored.
However...
If it is a commercial venture or has heavy Internet use then expect the ISP to enforce the
clause.
--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm |
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$Bill
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:03 am Post subject: Re: How Sticky Are CableModem AUPs? |
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phaeton wrote:
| Quote: | I have Charter Cablemodem access. Like most any broadband provider
they mention 'no webservers, no ftp servers, no gameservers" etc. Just
*how* closely do they watch this?
I realize I'm the one breaking the rules and taking the risks, but I
would like to set up a small webserver at home. It will be very very
low bandwidth- mostly just to host small images like avatars and stuff
for a few forums I frequent. I will also like to have ftpd running on
it for the infrequent times of moving small files around (less than
2mb, in most cases). I understand the usual ports are blocked and I
know how to get around that.
I know it's against the rules, but has anyone ever done this
themselves? Ever get 'busted', and if so, what did they do? I have a
feeling that as long as I don't rock the boat too hard they either
won't notice or won't care as much.
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Probably true - you may need to use non-standard ports though - like 8080
instead of 80, etc. |
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BigJim
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:03 am Post subject: Re: How Sticky Are CableModem AUPs? |
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If you are using it for an occasional connect nothing to worry about but if
your going to
run a game server with 8 or so players this will show up and will raise a
red flag.
"phaeton" <blahbleh666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156870244.832038.161340@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | I have Charter Cablemodem access. Like most any broadband provider
they mention 'no webservers, no ftp servers, no gameservers" etc. Just
*how* closely do they watch this?
I realize I'm the one breaking the rules and taking the risks, but I
would like to set up a small webserver at home. It will be very very
low bandwidth- mostly just to host small images like avatars and stuff
for a few forums I frequent. I will also like to have ftpd running on
it for the infrequent times of moving small files around (less than
2mb, in most cases). I understand the usual ports are blocked and I
know how to get around that.
I know it's against the rules, but has anyone ever done this
themselves? Ever get 'busted', and if so, what did they do? I have a
feeling that as long as I don't rock the boat too hard they either
won't notice or won't care as much.
But I could be wrong.
Thanks for any insight.
-phaeton
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phaeton
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:36 am Post subject: Re: How Sticky Are CableModem AUPs? |
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BigJim wrote:
| Quote: | If you are using it for an occasional connect nothing to worry about but if
your going to
run a game server with 8 or so players this will show up and will raise a
red flag.
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Thanks for the replies, everyone.
No gameservers for me. I'm also not going to have any mail services
running on the box either. Ideally, (like I said) a webserver, ftp
server, and maybe ssh. Otherwise it will be locked down.
When you say "terminate the account", does that mean i'm likely going
to be blacklisted and never again can be a customer? Thier TOS doesn't
seem to say much. What's also vague is their description of
'commercial services'. It doesn't specifically say 'no webservers',
but it also doesn't specifically say 'webservers ok'. What's more
entertaining, is when I go to their website to see if "commercial level
service" is available in my area, they say they don't service where I'm
at. (They also say this about the residential service, which I
currently have).
I'm a little leery of calling up someone at Charter and asking these
questions bluntly, because:
1) It doesn't matter what they tell me over the phone, because if it is
wrong my only defense is "he said/she said" which they won't pay any
attention to.
2) I don't want to get 'flagged' as someone asking about stuff against
the AUP, and they will completely refuse to talk to me until I give
them my address.
3) Of course, out of all the 7 times I've emailed them with questions,
I've only once gotten a response (they hit 'reply' to my email, then
hit 'send', and obviously forgot to include an answer). The few times
I've called them on the phone, i've had to give an impromptu Networking
101 course to the person who answers so that they can even understand
my question enough to put me on hold and ask someone else who has a
clue.
Not being critical of them, but that's just the breaks.
-phaeton |
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DLR
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:57 am Post subject: Re: How Sticky Are CableModem AUPs? |
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phaeton wrote:
| Quote: | BigJim wrote:
If you are using it for an occasional connect nothing to worry about but if
your going to
run a game server with 8 or so players this will show up and will raise a
red flag.
Thanks for the replies, everyone.
No gameservers for me. I'm also not going to have any mail services
running on the box either. Ideally, (like I said) a webserver, ftp
server, and maybe ssh. Otherwise it will be locked down.
When you say "terminate the account", does that mean i'm likely going
to be blacklisted and never again can be a customer? Thier TOS doesn't
seem to say much. What's also vague is their description of
'commercial services'. It doesn't specifically say 'no webservers',
but it also doesn't specifically say 'webservers ok'. What's more
entertaining, is when I go to their website to see if "commercial level
service" is available in my area, they say they don't service where I'm
at. (They also say this about the residential service, which I
currently have).
I'm a little leery of calling up someone at Charter and asking these
questions bluntly, because:
These rules are made nationally and applied regionally. And each company |
has slightly different rules and interpretations and penalties. If you
run a web server that gets 20 hits a day, you'll likely never be
noticed. But who knows. A lot of the TOS is to fight SPAM and scams. So
if your usage "profiles" to look like a BOT controlled system maybe
you'll be banned for life. Or get a rude talking to. Or an email. Or ...
If you don't want to be noticed driving 5 MPH over the limit, don't stop
and ask the cop what his threshold is for writing a ticket.  |
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Charles Newman
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:13 am Post subject: Re: How Sticky Are CableModem AUPs? |
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"$Bill" <news@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | phaeton wrote:
I have Charter Cablemodem access. Like most any broadband provider
they mention 'no webservers, no ftp servers, no gameservers" etc. Just
*how* closely do they watch this?
I realize I'm the one breaking the rules and taking the risks, but I
would like to set up a small webserver at home. It will be very very
low bandwidth- mostly just to host small images like avatars and stuff
for a few forums I frequent. I will also like to have ftpd running on
it for the infrequent times of moving small files around (less than
2mb, in most cases). I understand the usual ports are blocked and I
know how to get around that.
I know it's against the rules, but has anyone ever done this
themselves? Ever get 'busted', and if so, what did they do? I have a
feeling that as long as I don't rock the boat too hard they either
won't notice or won't care as much.
Probably true - you may need to use non-standard ports though - like 8080
instead of 80, etc.
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I know t hat before AT&T was taken over by
Comcast, they blocked every incoming port
except 21 and 80, so port incoming port
8080 may be blocked depending on your
service. I know Comcast unblocked a lot
of ports when they took ovre and I had to
start using a firewall.
When I was in college years ago, I used to
run a web site off muy then-@Home service
for project groups I was in, and @Home
never said anything. |
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Charles Newman
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: How Sticky Are CableModem AUPs? |
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X-No-Archive: yes
Make sure they are not blocking ALL incoming ports.
Comcast is now blocking incoming traffic on ALL
65,536 ports. I was running a small server and
doing my own online talk show, but have discovered
all ALL incoming ports have been blocked. Now I
gotta spend extra money to get on something like
Live365.
"phaeton" <blahbleh666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156870244.832038.161340@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | I have Charter Cablemodem access. Like most any broadband provider
they mention 'no webservers, no ftp servers, no gameservers" etc. Just
*how* closely do they watch this?
I realize I'm the one breaking the rules and taking the risks, but I
would like to set up a small webserver at home. It will be very very
low bandwidth- mostly just to host small images like avatars and stuff
for a few forums I frequent. I will also like to have ftpd running on
it for the infrequent times of moving small files around (less than
2mb, in most cases). I understand the usual ports are blocked and I
know how to get around that.
I know it's against the rules, but has anyone ever done this
themselves? Ever get 'busted', and if so, what did they do? I have a
feeling that as long as I don't rock the boat too hard they either
won't notice or won't care as much.
But I could be wrong.
Thanks for any insight.
-phaeton
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Charles Newman
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:51 am Post subject: Re: How Sticky Are CableModem AUPs? |
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X-No-Archive: Yes
"phaeton" <blahbleh666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156870244.832038.161340@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | I have Charter Cablemodem access. Like most any broadband provider
they mention 'no webservers, no ftp servers, no gameservers" etc. Just
*how* closely do they watch this?
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There might be a way. In the one thread about Comcast
blocking incoming ports, one guy mentioned Tor, I have checked
it out, and it appears that Tor will let you run a "hidden" web
site, though that part of the software looks complicated. I do
know that you would have to bind the IP settings of whatever
web server software you use either to 127.0.0.1, or to the
address of your router (if you have one). It appears that users
would enter an address in the Tor network, which would
forward to your "hidden" server, and back again. Since
the server itself would only be seen by the Tor software, any
routine scans of your system would show nothing. Tor takes
all the user hits, and acts merely as the relay. Tor just goes
to the directory you specify and fetches the web page, and
sends it back to the users on Tor that are requesitng it, from
what I can tell. The more than 10,000 servers on the Tor
network would take all the hits, instead of your Web server
and/or Charter Pipeline.
Its also a good way to shield you from script kiddies, who
might try and compromise your Web server. In other
words, your Web site could not be compromised by
hackers. As the saying goes "what cannot be seen cannot
be hacked". |
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Bill M.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: Re: How Sticky Are CableModem AUPs? |
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:37:52 -0700, "Charles Newman"
<charlesnewman1@comcast.do.not.spam.me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | There might be a way. In the one thread about Comcast
blocking incoming ports, one guy mentioned Tor, I have checked
it out, and it appears that Tor will let you run a "hidden" web
site, though that part of the software looks complicated. I do
know that you would have to bind the IP settings of whatever
web server software you use either to 127.0.0.1, or to the
address of your router (if you have one). It appears that users
would enter an address in the Tor network, which would
forward to your "hidden" server, and back again. Since
the server itself would only be seen by the Tor software, any
routine scans of your system would show nothing. Tor takes
all the user hits, and acts merely as the relay. Tor just goes
to the directory you specify and fetches the web page, and
sends it back to the users on Tor that are requesitng it, from
what I can tell. The more than 10,000 servers on the Tor
network would take all the hits, instead of your Web server
and/or Charter Pipeline.
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Umm, no, the hits to your web server and your ISP's network are the
same regardless of whether you stick a proxy such as Tor in front.
| Quote: | Its also a good way to shield you from script kiddies, who
might try and compromise your Web server. In other
words, your Web site could not be compromised by
hackers. As the saying goes "what cannot be seen cannot
be hacked".
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That's one of the big problems with running a (web) server on a
non-standard port, the false sense of security. It takes longer to
scan a large port range than it does to scan a smaller port range, but
it's not as if we're talking about manual labor here. Not only that,
Tor's web site describes security through obscurity, which is nothing
to be proud of. |
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