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 Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:02 am Post subject: CD-R Audio noise? |
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Hi group, Need help on some CD-r audio problems.. maybe ask a dozen
times already. but here it goes.. I have a couple of audio cd-r, they
played good when I first burned them.. but after a year or 2 I noticed
a slight cracklin' buzz on the music.. cd-r are not scratch or
physically damage.. I have some other cd-r that does the same thing
after just months I made audio cd's.. other cd-r's I made are okay even
scratch-up but no distortion/noise on the audio.. now my question if I
compiled my audio into MP3 will I get the same noise/distortion problem
as the cd-r ages? and second question is there a way to fixed the buzz
on the audio or this a software issue when I made the audio cd-r?
thanks for any inputs!! |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: Re: CD-R Audio noise? |
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Bolshoi@netzero.com wrote:
| Quote: | Hi group, Need help on some CD-r audio problems.. maybe ask a dozen
times already. but here it goes.. I have a couple of audio cd-r, they
played good when I first burned them.. but after a year or 2 I noticed
a slight cracklin' buzz on the music.. cd-r are not scratch or
physically damage.. I have some other cd-r that does the same thing
after just months I made audio cd's.. other cd-r's I made are okay even
scratch-up but no distortion/noise on the audio.. now my question if I
compiled my audio into MP3 will I get the same noise/distortion problem
as the cd-r ages? and second question is there a way to fixed the buzz
on the audio or this a software issue when I made the audio cd-r?
thanks for any inputs!!
The noise is due to uncorrectable faults. In most cases, they start with |
a poor-quality disc not matched to your burner and write speed.
Sometimes it can be due to writing on the disc which penetrates the
acrylic lacquer. If it's from writing on the disc, the noise is not
likely to increase later in the playback, where that is probable if it
was simply a poor recording.
Unfortunately, you may find it very difficult to rip the discs at all.
In the computer, rereading is used to get a good capture and that may
never succeed or may take a very long time with such damage. Your best
bet will be to use a conventional player connected to Line In on your
computer - digitizing the track over again. Unfortunately, even if you
do that, the noise will be captured and preserved in your transfer.
Mike
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mrichter@cpl.net
http://www.mrichter.com/ |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:27 am Post subject: Re: CD-R Audio noise? |
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Mike Richter wrote:
| Quote: | Bolshoi@netzero.com wrote:
Hi group, Need help on some CD-r audio problems.. maybe ask a dozen
times already. but here it goes.. I have a couple of audio cd-r, they
played good when I first burned them.. but after a year or 2 I noticed
a slight cracklin' buzz on the music.. cd-r are not scratch or
physically damage.. I have some other cd-r that does the same thing
after just months I made audio cd's.. other cd-r's I made are okay even
scratch-up but no distortion/noise on the audio.. now my question if I
compiled my audio into MP3 will I get the same noise/distortion problem
as the cd-r ages? and second question is there a way to fixed the buzz
on the audio or this a software issue when I made the audio cd-r?
thanks for any inputs!!
The noise is due to uncorrectable faults. In most cases, they start with
a poor-quality disc not matched to your burner and write speed.
Sometimes it can be due to writing on the disc which penetrates the
acrylic lacquer. If it's from writing on the disc, the noise is not
likely to increase later in the playback, where that is probable if it
was simply a poor recording.
Unfortunately, you may find it very difficult to rip the discs at all.
In the computer, rereading is used to get a good capture and that may
never succeed or may take a very long time with such damage. Your best
bet will be to use a conventional player connected to Line In on your
computer - digitizing the track over again. Unfortunately, even if you
do that, the noise will be captured and preserved in your transfer.
Mike
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mrichter@cpl.net
http://www.mrichter.com/
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Thanks for the info Mike.. actually what I do is I copy the audio to
the hard drive first,
MP3 them.. then burn them to cd-r's. when I copy them to hard drive
they sound good, no noise? after having it transfer to the cd-r, well
after awhile (month/yr) is when I get those noise not at the very
moment I burn them.. is this common to some cd-r's? they tend to get
those distortion after some time? I putting my entire cd collection to
dvd-r too.. do dvd-r has the same problems w/ noise on audio? |
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smh
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: CD-R Audio noise? |
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.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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Bolshoi@netzero.com wrote:
| Quote: |
Hi group, Need help on some CD-r audio problems.. maybe ask a dozen
times already. but here it goes.. I have a couple of audio cd-r, they
played good when I first burned them.. but after a year or 2 I noticed
a slight cracklin' buzz on the music.. cd-r are not scratch or
physically damage.. I have some other cd-r that does the same thing
after just months I made audio cd's.. other cd-r's I made are okay even
scratch-up but no distortion/noise on the audio.. now my question if I
compiled my audio into MP3 will I get the same noise/distortion problem
as the cd-r ages? and second question is there a way to fixed the buzz
on the audio or this a software issue when I made the audio cd-r?
thanks for any inputs!!
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Is your current system the same one that burned the cd? What Windows,
burn program, disc brand name, burner brand and model name, name of
player?
Are you burning mp3? Are "other cd-r's" also mp3?
Check the cd with "Disc Quality" of Nero CD-DVD Speed:
http://www.cdspeed2000.com
..
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Mike Richter - The Slimiest Friggin SOB (UDF)
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===================================================
UDF is an unreliable format
UDF is a fragile format
The format is very fragile and unreliable.
There is an inherent problem in UDF,
particularly with fixed-length packets
The faults of fixed-length packets are in the format,
not in the specific software which implements UDF.
==================================================
But then again:
======================
From: Mike Richter (The Slimiest Friggin ***)
Date: 5/4/06
Subject: UDF Has just bit me in the bum
| Quote: | I have used UDF for many years, but yesterday I had my first
corruption. I am now wondering whether to bother with UDF
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First, your problem is not with UDF
======================
..
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Mikey, you are The Slimiest Friggin SOB!
----------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?) |
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Ghostrider
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: CD-R Audio noise? |
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Bolshoi@netzero.com wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Richter wrote:
Bolshoi@netzero.com wrote:
Hi group, Need help on some CD-r audio problems.. maybe ask a dozen
times already. but here it goes.. I have a couple of audio cd-r, they
played good when I first burned them.. but after a year or 2 I noticed
a slight cracklin' buzz on the music.. cd-r are not scratch or
physically damage.. I have some other cd-r that does the same thing
after just months I made audio cd's.. other cd-r's I made are okay even
scratch-up but no distortion/noise on the audio.. now my question if I
compiled my audio into MP3 will I get the same noise/distortion problem
as the cd-r ages? and second question is there a way to fixed the buzz
on the audio or this a software issue when I made the audio cd-r?
thanks for any inputs!!
The noise is due to uncorrectable faults. In most cases, they start with
a poor-quality disc not matched to your burner and write speed.
Sometimes it can be due to writing on the disc which penetrates the
acrylic lacquer. If it's from writing on the disc, the noise is not
likely to increase later in the playback, where that is probable if it
was simply a poor recording.
Unfortunately, you may find it very difficult to rip the discs at all.
In the computer, rereading is used to get a good capture and that may
never succeed or may take a very long time with such damage. Your best
bet will be to use a conventional player connected to Line In on your
computer - digitizing the track over again. Unfortunately, even if you
do that, the noise will be captured and preserved in your transfer.
Mike
--
mrichter@cpl.net
http://www.mrichter.com/
Thanks for the info Mike.. actually what I do is I copy the audio to
the hard drive first,
MP3 them.. then burn them to cd-r's. when I copy them to hard drive
they sound good, no noise? after having it transfer to the cd-r, well
after awhile (month/yr) is when I get those noise not at the very
moment I burn them.. is this common to some cd-r's? they tend to get
those distortion after some time? I putting my entire cd collection to
dvd-r too.. do dvd-r has the same problems w/ noise on audio?
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Let's review. The audio is downloaded and put into a MP3 format
on the HD. Next, it is converted to PCM-audio and burned to CD-R?
The "standard" route is to first convert the audio to a *.wav file
and then burn them to the CD-R. It is quite possible the "noise"
was always there or it was created on the conversion from MP3 to
*.wav in preparation for burning to the CD-R. After a few months,
the CD-R sounds different from the MP3 file; it's a psychological
thing. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: CD-R Audio noise? |
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Yes. the problem (I think) is not when I burn the cd-r.. it's after
awhile, maybe from playing the cd-r? another example my buddy gave me a
copy of his dj mix on cd-r after less than a year of playing it.. I get
that noise, well the cd-r has some minor scratches.. but I have others
that has worst but played okay.. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: CD-R Audio noise? |
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| Quote: | Let's review. The audio is downloaded and put into a MP3 format
on the HD. Next, it is converted to PCM-audio and burned to CD-R?
The "standard" route is to first convert the audio to a *.wav file
and then burn them to the CD-R. It is quite possible the "noise"
was always there or it was created on the conversion from MP3 to
*.wav in preparation for burning to the CD-R. After a few months,
the CD-R sounds different from the MP3 file; it's a psychological
thing.
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I just dump the MP3 to Nero and Nero does the conversion while burning
them I guess?
also did that w/ Adaptec before. for some reason it does not happen on
all cd-r's I burned. could this be a cd-r type issue? will this also
happen w/ mp3 cd-r? I |
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Neil Maxwell
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: CD-R Audio noise? |
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On 12 Jul 2006 14:46:53 -0700, Bolshoi@netzero.com wrote:
| Quote: | I just dump the MP3 to Nero and Nero does the conversion while burning
them I guess?
also did that w/ Adaptec before. for some reason it does not happen on
all cd-r's I burned. could this be a cd-r type issue?
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I would try 2 things:
- A different manufacturer of CDR. Taiyo Yuden is always a good bet,
as they have a good reputation for quality and data life. They can be
found at www.rima.com as well as other sources. Don't get the
cheapest shiny ones, as they have very little protection for the data
layer. I get inkjet printable ones these days, as they have an extra
layer over the data layer.
- Burn at a slower speed. I burn all optical media at 1/2 the drive's
rated speed, so with a drive rated at 32x, I burn at 16x. I also do a
verify after each burn, just to make sure everything went OK.
I've had many problems with data life on optical media over the years,
and these two steps have made the biggest difference by far.
To help figure out what works over time, I label each CDR with the
following info:
- Burn date
- Burner model number
- Burn speed and whether verified or not
- Maker of the blank
A good test would be to make 4 disks with identical tracks on them on
at the same time:
- 1 with your existing media burned at full speed
- 1 with your existing media burned at half speed
- 1 with TY media burned at full speed
- 1 with TY media burned at half speed
These disks should be full, as my experience shows that the data
problems start at the outside of the disks and work their way in as
time goes by.
By listening to these once a month for the next 6 months or so, it
should be pretty clear what's contributing to your problems if it's a
media or burn speed issue.
| Quote: | will this also
happen w/ mp3 cd-r?
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The data correction is better for data disks, and generally you won't
find out there's a problem until the disk is nearly unreadable. Audio
disks are much better for finding this type of issue, as their
problems become evident much sooner, while the disk is still playable.
Be sure to post back on what you find!
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Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: CD-R Audio noise? |
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I'll do that next time I burned a compilation from my cd collection..
that's alot of information I never knew before.. Appreciate all the
help Neil!!
Neil Maxwell wrote:
| Quote: | I would try 2 things:
- A different manufacturer of CDR. Taiyo Yuden is always a good bet,
as they have a good reputation for quality and data life. They can be
found at www.rima.com as well as other sources. Don't get the
cheapest shiny ones, as they have very little protection for the data
layer. I get inkjet printable ones these days, as they have an extra
layer over the data layer.
- Burn at a slower speed. I burn all optical media at 1/2 the drive's
rated speed, so with a drive rated at 32x, I burn at 16x. I also do a
verify after each burn, just to make sure everything went OK.
I've had many problems with data life on optical media over the years,
and these two steps have made the biggest difference by far.
To help figure out what works over time, I label each CDR with the
following info:
- Burn date
- Burner model number
- Burn speed and whether verified or not
- Maker of the blank
A good test would be to make 4 disks with identical tracks on them on
at the same time:
- 1 with your existing media burned at full speed
- 1 with your existing media burned at half speed
- 1 with TY media burned at full speed
- 1 with TY media burned at half speed
These disks should be full, as my experience shows that the data
problems start at the outside of the disks and work their way in as
time goes by.
By listening to these once a month for the next 6 months or so, it
should be pretty clear what's contributing to your problems if it's a
media or burn speed issue.
will this also
happen w/ mp3 cd-r?
The data correction is better for data disks, and generally you won't
find out there's a problem until the disk is nearly unreadable. Audio
disks are much better for finding this type of issue, as their
problems become evident much sooner, while the disk is still playable.
Be sure to post back on what you find!
--
Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer |
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smh
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:55 am Post subject: Re: CD-R Audio noise? |
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.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
Bolshoi@netzero.com wrote:
(Didn't realize this was a response to my post!)
| Quote: | Yes. the problem (I think) is not when I burn the cd-r.. it's after
awhile, maybe from playing the cd-r? another example my buddy gave me a
copy of his dj mix on cd-r after less than a year of playing it.. I get
that noise, well the cd-r has some minor scratches.. but I have others
that has worst but played okay..
(from the other posts)
.
actually what I do is I copy the audio to the hard drive first,
MP3 them.. then burn them to cd-r's.
.
I just dump the MP3 to Nero and Nero does the conversion while burning
them I guess?
|
When you copy ("rip") audio tracks, do not extract them in .mp3, but in
WAV, especially so since you convert the .mp3 back to CDA format.
This needless double conversion may have introduced click/pop, or the
click/pop may be caused by the intertrack gap unless you specifically
set to zero. But then you should have heard them when you burned them.
| Quote: | when I copy them to hard drive
they sound good, no noise? after having it transfer to the cd-r, well
after awhile (month/yr) is when I get those noise not at the very
moment I burn them.. is this common to some cd-r's? they tend to get
those distortion after some time?
|
To verify that the discs indeed went bad, check the discs with ScanDisc
(and preferably with Disc Quality if your burner is supported) of Nero
CD-DVD Speed in Nero Toolkit.
If this verifies that the discs went bad, the cure is use better brands
like Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim DataLifePlus. (What are the disc brand
name, and burner brand name and model number?)
| Quote: | I putting my entire cd collection to
dvd-r too.. do dvd-r has the same problems w/ noise on audio?
|
Again, if your problem was caused by discs went bad, use better quality
discs.
BTW, DVD does not support CDA format. Burn .wav or .mp3 as data on DVD.
| Quote: |
Is your current system the same one that burned the cd? What Windows,
burn program, disc brand name, burner brand and model name, name of
player?
Are you burning mp3? Are "other cd-r's" also mp3?
Check the cd with "Disc Quality" of Nero CD-DVD Speed:
http://www.cdspeed2000.com
---------------------------------------------
Mike Richter - The Slimiest Friggin SOB (UDF)
---------------------------------------------
===================================================
UDF is an unreliable format
UDF is a fragile format
The format is very fragile and unreliable.
There is an inherent problem in UDF,
particularly with fixed-length packets
The faults of fixed-length packets are in the format,
not in the specific software which implements UDF.
==================================================
But then again:
======================
From: Mike Richter (The Slimiest Friggin ***)
Date: 5/4/06
Subject: UDF Has just bit me in the bum
I have used UDF for many years, but yesterday I had my first
corruption. I am now wondering whether to bother with UDF
First, your problem is not with UDF
======================
.
----------------------------------------
Mikey, you are The Slimiest Friggin SOB!
----------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?) |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: Re: CD-R Audio noise? |
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I guess I'll have to get a better brand, like those u mentioned. and
stay away from generic cd-r's and dvd-r's.. once I start on my dvd mp3
compilations on my cd collections.. appreciate all the help..
thanks!!!
smh wrote:
| Quote: | . --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
Bolshoi@netzero.com wrote:
(Didn't realize this was a response to my post!)
Yes. the problem (I think) is not when I burn the cd-r.. it's after
awhile, maybe from playing the cd-r? another example my buddy gave me a
copy of his dj mix on cd-r after less than a year of playing it.. I get
that noise, well the cd-r has some minor scratches.. but I have others
that has worst but played okay..
(from the other posts)
.
actually what I do is I copy the audio to the hard drive first,
MP3 them.. then burn them to cd-r's.
.
I just dump the MP3 to Nero and Nero does the conversion while burning
them I guess?
When you copy ("rip") audio tracks, do not extract them in .mp3, but in
WAV, especially so since you convert the .mp3 back to CDA format.
This needless double conversion may have introduced click/pop, or the
click/pop may be caused by the intertrack gap unless you specifically
set to zero. But then you should have heard them when you burned them.
when I copy them to hard drive
they sound good, no noise? after having it transfer to the cd-r, well
after awhile (month/yr) is when I get those noise not at the very
moment I burn them.. is this common to some cd-r's? they tend to get
those distortion after some time?
To verify that the discs indeed went bad, check the discs with ScanDisc
(and preferably with Disc Quality if your burner is supported) of Nero
CD-DVD Speed in Nero Toolkit.
If this verifies that the discs went bad, the cure is use better brands
like Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim DataLifePlus. (What are the disc brand
name, and burner brand name and model number?)
I putting my entire cd collection to
dvd-r too.. do dvd-r has the same problems w/ noise on audio?
Again, if your problem was caused by discs went bad, use better quality
discs.
BTW, DVD does not support CDA format. Burn .wav or .mp3 as data on DVD.
Is your current system the same one that burned the cd? What Windows,
burn program, disc brand name, burner brand and model name, name of
player?
Are you burning mp3? Are "other cd-r's" also mp3?
Check the cd with "Disc Quality" of Nero CD-DVD Speed:
http://www.cdspeed2000.com
---------------------------------------------
Mike Richter - The Slimiest Friggin SOB (UDF)
---------------------------------------------
===================================================
UDF is an unreliable format
UDF is a fragile format
The format is very fragile and unreliable.
There is an inherent problem in UDF,
particularly with fixed-length packets
The faults of fixed-length packets are in the format,
not in the specific software which implements UDF.
==================================================
But then again:
======================
From: Mike Richter (The Slimiest Friggin ***)
Date: 5/4/06
Subject: UDF Has just bit me in the bum
I have used UDF for many years, but yesterday I had my first
corruption. I am now wondering whether to bother with UDF
First, your problem is not with UDF
======================
.
----------------------------------------
Mikey, you are The Slimiest Friggin SOB!
----------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?) |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: CD-R Audio noise? |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:55:15 -0700, smh <smhong@mindspring.com> wrote:
| Quote: | If this verifies that the discs went bad, the cure is use better brands
like Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim DataLifePlus. (What are the disc brand
name, and burner brand name and model number?)
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It's worth mentioning that name brands can be meaningless in optical
blank selection. I'm not familiar with Verbatim DataLifePlus per se,
but most brands are made by the cheapest manufacturer who can meet
their specs.
Any given name brand could be made by any manufacturer, and there's
generally no way to know until you get them home and check them.
This is one reason why TY is a good bet, since they're the original
manufacturer. Just be sure to buy them from a reputable seller, like
www.rima.com or www.meritline.com, as there have been reports of
counterfeit TYs out there.
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