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tappits
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 Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:40 pm Post subject: PC upgrade |
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I am just about to go out and by a new processor (AMD) as I am sick of
not been able to play games at hi res at even 800-600 I have to play
C&C Generals at 800-600 and all the extras ternd off and it still runs
well slow
Same with NFS Underground and all my other new games
So I was wondering if by changing the processor will it make a big
difference.
My system is
Win XP-HE (2002) SP1
AMD Duron 1300
640MB ram
ATI 9000 PRO 128mb
What wood be the best processor for me.
I was thinking about a XP2000+ or a 2200+
I don't really want to go and spend a load of money if I don't need to |
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philo
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: PC upgrade |
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"tappits" <tappits84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am just about to go out and by a new processor (AMD) as I am sick of
not been able to play games at hi res at even 800-600 I have to play
C&C Generals at 800-600 and all the extras ternd off and it still runs
well slow
Same with NFS Underground and all my other new games
So I was wondering if by changing the processor will it make a big
difference.
My system is
Win XP-HE (2002) SP1
AMD Duron 1300
640MB ram
ATI 9000 PRO 128mb
What wood be the best processor for me.
I was thinking about a XP2000+ or a 2200+
I don't really want to go and spend a load of money if I don't need to
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For gaming, you definately want to use the fastest cpu you can afford.
For what it's worth...I recently upgraded an AMD1200 machine to an
XP2200+ and did notice an improvement in Photoshop (don't game here)
....but I would hardly call it dramatic.
You may want to just save up your money and wait awhile...
then go with a whole new mobo and XP3200+ (or something similar) |
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Groove
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: PC upgrade |
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tappits said this...
| Quote: | I was thinking about a XP2000+ or a 2200+
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You need to check which motherboard you have, and find out what range of
processors it will support.
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Erez Volach
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: PC upgrade |
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"tappits" <tappits84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7bf3f5ee.0312270540.126edb1c@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | I am just about to go out and by a new processor (AMD) as I am sick of
not been able to play games at hi res at even 800-600 I have to play
C&C Generals at 800-600 and all the extras ternd off and it still runs
well slow
Same with NFS Underground and all my other new games
So I was wondering if by changing the processor will it make a big
difference.
My system is
Win XP-HE (2002) SP1
AMD Duron 1300
640MB ram
ATI 9000 PRO 128mb
What wood be the best processor for me.
I was thinking about a XP2000+ or a 2200+
I don't really want to go and spend a load of money if I don't need to
I would venture to say that a faster graphics card would take you a longer |
way than a faster processor. having said that, you seem to have enough
memory, if you want a cheap and effective CPU upgrade, try the new Durons
(1600's). Save some $ for a more advanced graphics card, one that natively
supports DX9 in hardware. |
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shahid
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: PC upgrade |
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Hello Erez
I suggest an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ it's an excellent overclocker and is also
a bargain at around £70 from Dabs.com, The 512 Level 2 cache makes all the
difference.
"Erez Volach" <ivrit@netvision.net.il> wrote in message
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"tappits" <tappits84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7bf3f5ee.0312270540.126edb1c@posting.google.com...
I am just about to go out and by a new processor (AMD) as I am sick of
not been able to play games at hi res at even 800-600 I have to play
C&C Generals at 800-600 and all the extras ternd off and it still runs
well slow
Same with NFS Underground and all my other new games
So I was wondering if by changing the processor will it make a big
difference.
My system is
Win XP-HE (2002) SP1
AMD Duron 1300
640MB ram
ATI 9000 PRO 128mb
What wood be the best processor for me.
I was thinking about a XP2000+ or a 2200+
I don't really want to go and spend a load of money if I don't need to
I would venture to say that a faster graphics card would take you a longer
way than a faster processor. having said that, you seem to have enough
memory, if you want a cheap and effective CPU upgrade, try the new Durons
(1600's). Save some $ for a more advanced graphics card, one that natively
supports DX9 in hardware.
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Kent_Diego
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: PC Upgrade |
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I have a P4 3Gig with 2 Gig RAM
I am reliably informed that FSX was designed to run best with Duo Core so
hence the CPU upgrade.
A 3GHz P4 and 2 GB RAM should very well for any game. |
So new MB, CPU, fan, DDR2 and maybe video card. You only need case, PS and
HD for an all new computer. That way you can keep/sell second computer as a
whole. |
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G
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: Re: PC Upgrade |
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"Kent_Diego" <None@no.way> wrote in message
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I have a P4 3Gig with 2 Gig RAM
I am reliably informed that FSX was designed to run best with Duo Core so
hence the CPU upgrade.
A 3GHz P4 and 2 GB RAM should very well for any game.
So new MB, CPU, fan, DDR2 and maybe video card. You only need case, PS and
HD for an all new computer. That way you can keep/sell second computer as
a whole.
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You would think 'A 3GHz P4 and 2 GB RAM should very well for any game' but
not for MS FSX it is very demanding and in heavy graphic areas brings my
machine to it's knees ;-)
Thanks for the advice, will try and find a duo core mobo that can take my
AGP graphics card
Cheers
Graham |
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Roy Coorne
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: Re: PC Upgrade |
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G wrote:
| Quote: | "Kent_Diego" <None@no.way> wrote in message
news:oyuUh.173$vE1.15@newsfe24.lga...
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I have a P4 3Gig with 2 Gig RAM
I am reliably informed that FSX was designed to run best with Duo Core so
hence the CPU upgrade.
A 3GHz P4 and 2 GB RAM should very well for any game.
So new MB, CPU, fan, DDR2 and maybe video card. You only need case, PS and
HD for an all new computer. That way you can keep/sell second computer as
a whole.
You would think 'A 3GHz P4 and 2 GB RAM should very well for any game' but
not for MS FSX it is very demanding and in heavy graphic areas brings my
machine to it's knees ;-)
Thanks for the advice, will try and find a duo core mobo that can take my
AGP graphics card
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You may have a look at ASRock's 4CoreDual-VSTA which accepts AGP video
cards: <http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=4CoreDual-VSTA>
(and two DIMMS of DDR1 *or* DDR2 RAM).
Roy |
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DaveW
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: Re: PC Upgrade |
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Motherboards that can run Core 2 Duo CPU's almost all use the newer PCI-E
video cards. Your AGP card is slower.
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| Quote: | I am a keen Flight Simulator user and MS new version FSX is too demanding
for my P4 system.
I am looking to upgrade to a Pentium Duo E6600.
I am not sure which Mobo to go for. I have a nVidia GeForce 7800GS 512mb
AGP card and think this will still be fine for Flight Sim so really want a
board that can take this AGP card. Is that possible or should I upgrade
this card as well?
Any suggestions gratefully received!
Cheers guys!
Graham
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Frank McCoy
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: Re: PC Upgrade |
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In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "DaveW" <vorgons@rumba.org> wrote:
| Quote: | Motherboards that can run Core 2 Duo CPU's almost all use the newer PCI-E
video cards. Your AGP card is slower.
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Not really ... yet.
(Old argument.)
None of the cards these days really pushes the limits of 8xAGP.
Possibly they will someday.
Where things crap out, is somebody building an PCI-E card, and then
putting an AGP bridge in the thing; or building an AGP card and putting
a PCI bridge in the thing; as that's the easiest way to make a card for
both markets, instead of designing two cards from scratch. All anybody
buying either usually does, is look to see if the card-type matches
their motherboard. Unless you know, it's hard indeed to tell how the
innards were designed.
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Paul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:45 am Post subject: Re: PC Upgrade |
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G wrote:
| Quote: | "Kent_Diego" <None@no.way> wrote in message
news:oyuUh.173$vE1.15@newsfe24.lga...
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I have a P4 3Gig with 2 Gig RAM
I am reliably informed that FSX was designed to run best with Duo Core so
hence the CPU upgrade.
A 3GHz P4 and 2 GB RAM should very well for any game.
So new MB, CPU, fan, DDR2 and maybe video card. You only need case, PS and
HD for an all new computer. That way you can keep/sell second computer as
a whole.
You would think 'A 3GHz P4 and 2 GB RAM should very well for any game' but
not for MS FSX it is very demanding and in heavy graphic areas brings my
machine to it's knees ;-)
Thanks for the advice, will try and find a duo core mobo that can take my
AGP graphics card
Cheers
Graham
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Generally speaking, reusing your AGP video card would be a fine plan.
But the problem is the chipsets on the motherboards that still support AGP.
The chipsets don't really overclock that well. If you ever wanted to
overclock the E6600, like so many other people do, the AGP chipsets
are already being overclocked by the manufacturer (i.e. the FSB on the
chipset was designed for FSB800, and is being run at FSB1066). Which
means there might only be 10% more headroom to overclock via the FSB.
Otherwise, there are VIA chipsets, and even some boards with Intel 865G,
that have AGP slots and support Core2 Duo. As with anything involving
computers, try to read some customer reviews, to see how trouble prone
your prospective purchase will be.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010200280%201070509908%201073407577&bop=And&SrchInDesc=core&Page=1
But since your plan is to run FSX, I'd really suggest a PCI Express motherboard,
and a new video card. Like the 8800GTX. The reason is, FSX is poorly designed,
and eats computers, no matter what size they are. While I didn't keep
any URLs, there is even a claim from an FSX developer, that they designed
FSX for a "not yet shipping" computer, rather than targeting today's
mainstream. You might want to read some more reviews and feedback from
people dealing with FSX, because it seems no matter what you do, you'd
be hard pressed to get buttery smooth performance. To handle FSX, I'd
at least want a platform that can take 4GB of RAM, and then if the need
arises, you have 4 DIMM slots to fill up. Some of the VIA chipset boards
are more restricted on the amount of RAM you can install (when there are
two DDR and two DDR2 slots, you can only use one kind of RAM at a time).
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G
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: PC Upgrade |
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Cheers Roy appreciate the link, will go research!
As you say Paul and I agree FSX is designed for the next level computer
which ain't good for me.
Thanks again guys will do some homework
Graham
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| Quote: | G wrote:
"Kent_Diego" <None@no.way> wrote in message
news:oyuUh.173$vE1.15@newsfe24.lga...
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I have a P4 3Gig with 2 Gig RAM
I am reliably informed that FSX was designed to run best with Duo Core
so hence the CPU upgrade.
A 3GHz P4 and 2 GB RAM should very well for any game.
So new MB, CPU, fan, DDR2 and maybe video card. You only need case, PS
and HD for an all new computer. That way you can keep/sell second
computer as a whole.
You would think 'A 3GHz P4 and 2 GB RAM should very well for any game'
but not for MS FSX it is very demanding and in heavy graphic areas brings
my machine to it's knees ;-)
Thanks for the advice, will try and find a duo core mobo that can take my
AGP graphics card
Cheers
Graham
Generally speaking, reusing your AGP video card would be a fine plan.
But the problem is the chipsets on the motherboards that still support
AGP.
The chipsets don't really overclock that well. If you ever wanted to
overclock the E6600, like so many other people do, the AGP chipsets
are already being overclocked by the manufacturer (i.e. the FSB on the
chipset was designed for FSB800, and is being run at FSB1066). Which
means there might only be 10% more headroom to overclock via the FSB.
Otherwise, there are VIA chipsets, and even some boards with Intel 865G,
that have AGP slots and support Core2 Duo. As with anything involving
computers, try to read some customer reviews, to see how trouble prone
your prospective purchase will be.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010200280%201070509908%201073407577&bop=And&SrchInDesc=core&Page=1
But since your plan is to run FSX, I'd really suggest a PCI Express
motherboard,
and a new video card. Like the 8800GTX. The reason is, FSX is poorly
designed,
and eats computers, no matter what size they are. While I didn't keep
any URLs, there is even a claim from an FSX developer, that they designed
FSX for a "not yet shipping" computer, rather than targeting today's
mainstream. You might want to read some more reviews and feedback from
people dealing with FSX, because it seems no matter what you do, you'd
be hard pressed to get buttery smooth performance. To handle FSX, I'd
at least want a platform that can take 4GB of RAM, and then if the need
arises, you have 4 DIMM slots to fill up. Some of the VIA chipset boards
are more restricted on the amount of RAM you can install (when there are
two DDR and two DDR2 slots, you can only use one kind of RAM at a time).
Paul |
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Conor
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: PC Upgrade |
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In article <D--dnduQaJhFOr_bnZ2dnUVZ_rGinZ2d@comcast.com>, DaveW
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| Quote: | Motherboards that can run Core 2 Duo CPU's almost all use the newer PCI-E
video cards. Your AGP card is slower.
Utter *** fantasy. I am so sick of this bullshit being posted. AGP |
was never maxed out. Like for like, an AGP card is no slower than its
PCI-e counterpart.
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