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Brian White
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 Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 1:42 pm Post subject: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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Hi
I am currently using Win98SE and have been pretty happy with it.
However, I think it's time to upgrade to a newer OS. I am planning to
go to WinXP Pro. Is this possible? I've described the motherboard I
have below.
I'm quite happy to search out new drivers and so on off the internet
as we have other PCs that can stay online. Also, any hints and tips
that people can offer based on their own experience would be very
welcome (or pointers to websites that you rate highly).
One think I would rather not do is have to buy lots more software. I
don't have that much but there are a handful of things that I use
everyday that I'd have to replace if they didn't carry on working. I
just don't know enough about XP to know if I can continue to use this
old software in the short term whilst I save up for the new stuff.
The final question I have is about rebuilding my PC in the future.
When I do this upgrade, I'll be starting from a completely empty hard
disk (I'll have the info from the old hard disk on one of the other
PCs on my LAN). This seems like a good time to make what I think is
called an 'image' in case things go seriously wrong in the future.
Does anyone have any advice on (i) is it worth bothering with - I've
never done it for the current OS but I have made 'data' backups every
few months - and (ii) any hints and tips or pointers to good websites
for this too.
I have a Gateway 866 P-III PC (bought summer of 2000). I think it has
the Intel 82815 (i815) motherboard/chipset. I have the max 512MB
memory on it. I'll be fitting a 120MB hard drive (from the current
30MB) and a DVD re-writer.
Thanks in advance
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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Yes you can upgrade your system to Win XP Pro. I did it with a slightly
older system (a G-700) with 20-GB hard drive and 512-MB of RAM) and it works
great. I don't think you'll have to go looking for drivers, as the drivers
included with Win XP worked fine for me. I'll leave your other questions
for others to answer, as I don't make images myself. Good luck.
Tom
"Brian White" <brian.whitespam@pobox.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi
I am currently using Win98SE and have been pretty happy with it.
However, I think it's time to upgrade to a newer OS. I am planning to
go to WinXP Pro. Is this possible? I've described the motherboard I
have below.
I'm quite happy to search out new drivers and so on off the internet
as we have other PCs that can stay online. Also, any hints and tips
that people can offer based on their own experience would be very
welcome (or pointers to websites that you rate highly).
One think I would rather not do is have to buy lots more software. I
don't have that much but there are a handful of things that I use
everyday that I'd have to replace if they didn't carry on working. I
just don't know enough about XP to know if I can continue to use this
old software in the short term whilst I save up for the new stuff.
The final question I have is about rebuilding my PC in the future.
When I do this upgrade, I'll be starting from a completely empty hard
disk (I'll have the info from the old hard disk on one of the other
PCs on my LAN). This seems like a good time to make what I think is
called an 'image' in case things go seriously wrong in the future.
Does anyone have any advice on (i) is it worth bothering with - I've
never done it for the current OS but I have made 'data' backups every
few months - and (ii) any hints and tips or pointers to good websites
for this too.
I have a Gateway 866 P-III PC (bought summer of 2000). I think it has
the Intel 82815 (i815) motherboard/chipset. I have the max 512MB
memory on it. I'll be fitting a 120MB hard drive (from the current
30MB) and a DVD re-writer.
Thanks in advance
--
TTFN
Brian
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mike
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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Brian White wrote:
| Quote: | Hi
I am currently using Win98SE and have been pretty happy with it.
However, I think it's time to upgrade to a newer OS.
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Why?
If you absolutely gotta have something that won't run on 98, you have no
choice.
If you don't, you don't have a motive.
If it works, don't fix it.
Here's why I did NOT upgrade to XP.
1)It doesn't do anything more that I need.
2)It breaks a significant number of the programs
I use regularly. Ghost, anything that talks to an i/o port.
3)It won't let me reconfigure my hardware without calling home.
and begging for permission.
4)At some point, they'll quit granting permission to FORCE you to
the next big thing. Delay that as long as possible.
5)It's EXPENSIVE.
6)It's a target for virus/malware
7)I don't have enough horsepower to run it at the same performance
level I get with 98.
8)The license agreement seems to grant M$ complete authority over my
hardware and software. They can remotely do anything they want any time
with my system.
9)JUST SAY NO to any sw that REQUIRES an internet connection to run.
mike
I am planning to
| Quote: | go to WinXP Pro. Is this possible? I've described the motherboard I
have below.
I'm quite happy to search out new drivers and so on off the internet
as we have other PCs that can stay online. Also, any hints and tips
that people can offer based on their own experience would be very
welcome (or pointers to websites that you rate highly).
One think I would rather not do is have to buy lots more software. I
don't have that much but there are a handful of things that I use
everyday that I'd have to replace if they didn't carry on working. I
just don't know enough about XP to know if I can continue to use this
old software in the short term whilst I save up for the new stuff.
The final question I have is about rebuilding my PC in the future.
When I do this upgrade, I'll be starting from a completely empty hard
disk (I'll have the info from the old hard disk on one of the other
PCs on my LAN). This seems like a good time to make what I think is
called an 'image' in case things go seriously wrong in the future.
Does anyone have any advice on (i) is it worth bothering with - I've
never done it for the current OS but I have made 'data' backups every
few months - and (ii) any hints and tips or pointers to good websites
for this too.
I have a Gateway 866 P-III PC (bought summer of 2000). I think it has
the Intel 82815 (i815) motherboard/chipset. I have the max 512MB
memory on it. I'll be fitting a 120MB hard drive (from the current
30MB) and a DVD re-writer.
Thanks in advance
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Bill
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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XP does not require an internet connection to run, where did you hear that?
Product activation is required, but it's quick/painless, and not the
Anti-Christ that so many people have made it out to be--and can be
accomplished by dialing a toll-free number if you don't have an internet
connection. Upgrades such as new hard drives can be easily accomplished
without having to re-activate--I've installed two since getting XP, and the
operating system never balked.
Something such as a new motherboard will require reactivation--but it's no
big deal! I did it myself back in August, after purchasing a new
motherboard/CPU--a five minute phone call was all it took, and I was back
up/running.
I have 98 SE on a secondary hard drive, should a compatibility issue ever
arise, but I don't like using it. XP has been incredibly stable for me, with
system crashes being practically non-existent. And my version of Norton
Ghost (part of Systemworks 2002 Professional) works beautifully with XP. I
can reinstall my entire XP partition in a matter of minutes, with NO
reactivation required.
And you say it's expensive? XP Home Edition costs no more than 98 or ME. I
paid $99.00 for it at Target in July of last year, it's some of the best
money I've ever spent.
You say it's a target for viruses? And I suppose Windows 98 WASN'T????!! In
a year and a half, my system has yet to become infected. If you use the
internet, downloading updates on a regular basis is important--the same as
older operating systems. Simple common sense doesn't hurt either.
"mike" <spamme0@juno.com> wrote in message news:3FC71C02.5010500@juno.com...
| Quote: | Brian White wrote:
Hi
I am currently using Win98SE and have been pretty happy with it.
However, I think it's time to upgrade to a newer OS.
Why?
If you absolutely gotta have something that won't run on 98, you have no
choice.
If you don't, you don't have a motive.
If it works, don't fix it.
Here's why I did NOT upgrade to XP.
1)It doesn't do anything more that I need.
2)It breaks a significant number of the programs
I use regularly. Ghost, anything that talks to an i/o port.
3)It won't let me reconfigure my hardware without calling home.
and begging for permission.
4)At some point, they'll quit granting permission to FORCE you to
the next big thing. Delay that as long as possible.
5)It's EXPENSIVE.
6)It's a target for virus/malware
7)I don't have enough horsepower to run it at the same performance
level I get with 98.
8)The license agreement seems to grant M$ complete authority over my
hardware and software. They can remotely do anything they want any time
with my system.
9)JUST SAY NO to any sw that REQUIRES an internet connection to run.
mike
I am planning to
go to WinXP Pro. Is this possible? I've described the motherboard I
have below.
I'm quite happy to search out new drivers and so on off the internet
as we have other PCs that can stay online. Also, any hints and tips
that people can offer based on their own experience would be very
welcome (or pointers to websites that you rate highly).
One think I would rather not do is have to buy lots more software. I
don't have that much but there are a handful of things that I use
everyday that I'd have to replace if they didn't carry on working. I
just don't know enough about XP to know if I can continue to use this
old software in the short term whilst I save up for the new stuff.
The final question I have is about rebuilding my PC in the future.
When I do this upgrade, I'll be starting from a completely empty hard
disk (I'll have the info from the old hard disk on one of the other
PCs on my LAN). This seems like a good time to make what I think is
called an 'image' in case things go seriously wrong in the future.
Does anyone have any advice on (i) is it worth bothering with - I've
never done it for the current OS but I have made 'data' backups every
few months - and (ii) any hints and tips or pointers to good websites
for this too.
I have a Gateway 866 P-III PC (bought summer of 2000). I think it has
the Intel 82815 (i815) motherboard/chipset. I have the max 512MB
memory on it. I'll be fitting a 120MB hard drive (from the current
30MB) and a DVD re-writer.
Thanks in advance
--
Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
laptops and parts Test Equipment
Honda CB-125S
TEK Sampling Sweep Plugin and RM564
Tek 2465 $800, ham radio, 30pS pulser
Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head...
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/
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mike
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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Bill wrote:
| Quote: | XP does not require an internet connection to run, where did you hear that?
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Actually, from you. If you don't have an internet connection, you still
have to call up on the phone. And what are you gonna do when the person
on the other end sez, "sorry sir, we no longer support that operating
system. Give my your credit card number and I can upgrade you to
version 27 for a mere $200. You can download the 2Gigabyte file here
with your dialup connection. And you'll also need a processor upgrade
to 45GHz. and another five gigs of ram, and a new motherboard that can't
use your ATA hard drive and will no longer support your parallel port
devices or ISA devices and we don't have drivers for many of your older
accessories and...."
I admit I have little experience with XP, only took me a few hours to
decide to uninstall it, but as I recall, everytime I clicked on a help
icon, it wanted to connect to the web to get the help file.
| Quote: |
Product activation is required, but it's quick/painless, and not the
Anti-Christ that so many people have made it out to be--and can be
accomplished by dialing a toll-free number if you don't have an internet
connection. Upgrades such as new hard drives can be easily accomplished
without having to re-activate--I've installed two since getting XP, and the
operating system never balked.
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I have plugin drives and flip configurations in and out like pancakes.
I don't want any "HELP" from my operating system.
| Quote: |
Something such as a new motherboard will require reactivation--but it's no
big deal! I did it myself back in August, after purchasing a new
motherboard/CPU--a five minute phone call was all it took, and I was back
up/running.
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I don't want ANY phone calls to get permission to use my own ***
machine...EVER!!! The writing is on the wall. At some point, it will
be inevitable, but that point ain't here yet. Pray for linux to become
viable.
| Quote: |
I have 98 SE on a secondary hard drive, should a compatibility issue ever
arise, but I don't like using it. XP has been incredibly stable for me, with
system crashes being practically non-existent. And my version of Norton
Ghost (part of Systemworks 2002 Professional) works beautifully with XP. I
can reinstall my entire XP partition in a matter of minutes, with NO
reactivation required.
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I use Ghost 5.1D. As I recall, it wouldn't work with XP because XP
refused to reboot into dos so my scripts would work. But I didn't play
with it much.
If you write control programs that directly access the parallel port,
you have a problem when you get past 98. Yes, it can be done, but not
with the hardware/software and skills that I already have.
| Quote: |
And you say it's expensive? XP Home Edition costs no more than 98 or ME. I
paid $99.00
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That's what I said...expensive. Existing 98 is $0.
I didn't pay $99 for my whole *** computer.
for it at Target in July of last year, it's some of the best
| Quote: | money I've ever spent.
You say it's a target for viruses? And I suppose Windows 98 WASN'T????!!
|
Exactly...past tense.
Yes, you still need firewalls and virus scanners, but I don't think my
netscape is gonna be as vulnerable to explorer exploits.
In
| Quote: | a year and a half, my system has yet to become infected. If you use the
internet, downloading updates on a regular basis is important--
|
This is also a problem. I've read way too many reports of one bugfix
creating another bug. You go from a system with some vulnerability to
one that no longer does the stuff you want. I don't want any automatic
anything. I decide what goes on my machine and when.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just don't put anything important on
the system you use to connect to the web.
the same as
| Quote: | older operating systems. Simple common sense doesn't hurt either.
|
Again, exactly my point. It's common sense to leave it alone if it's
working. People get way too excited about having the latest and
greatest. It's more about bragging rights than functionality for most
of us.
The OP said, "I am currently using Win98SE and have been pretty happy
with it." Happy is good.
mike
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"mike" <spamme0@juno.com> wrote in message news:3FC71C02.5010500@juno.com...
Brian White wrote:
Hi
I am currently using Win98SE and have been pretty happy with it.
However, I think it's time to upgrade to a newer OS.
Why?
If you absolutely gotta have something that won't run on 98, you have no
choice.
If you don't, you don't have a motive.
If it works, don't fix it.
Here's why I did NOT upgrade to XP.
1)It doesn't do anything more that I need.
2)It breaks a significant number of the programs
I use regularly. Ghost, anything that talks to an i/o port.
3)It won't let me reconfigure my hardware without calling home.
and begging for permission.
4)At some point, they'll quit granting permission to FORCE you to
the next big thing. Delay that as long as possible.
5)It's EXPENSIVE.
6)It's a target for virus/malware
7)I don't have enough horsepower to run it at the same performance
level I get with 98.
8)The license agreement seems to grant M$ complete authority over my
hardware and software. They can remotely do anything they want any time
with my system.
9)JUST SAY NO to any sw that REQUIRES an internet connection to run.
mike
I am planning to
go to WinXP Pro. Is this possible? I've described the motherboard I
have below.
I'm quite happy to search out new drivers and so on off the internet
as we have other PCs that can stay online. Also, any hints and tips
that people can offer based on their own experience would be very
welcome (or pointers to websites that you rate highly).
One think I would rather not do is have to buy lots more software. I
don't have that much but there are a handful of things that I use
everyday that I'd have to replace if they didn't carry on working. I
just don't know enough about XP to know if I can continue to use this
old software in the short term whilst I save up for the new stuff.
The final question I have is about rebuilding my PC in the future.
When I do this upgrade, I'll be starting from a completely empty hard
disk (I'll have the info from the old hard disk on one of the other
PCs on my LAN). This seems like a good time to make what I think is
called an 'image' in case things go seriously wrong in the future.
Does anyone have any advice on (i) is it worth bothering with - I've
never done it for the current OS but I have made 'data' backups every
few months - and (ii) any hints and tips or pointers to good websites
for this too.
I have a Gateway 866 P-III PC (bought summer of 2000). I think it has
the Intel 82815 (i815) motherboard/chipset. I have the max 512MB
memory on it. I'll be fitting a 120MB hard drive (from the current
30MB) and a DVD re-writer.
Thanks in advance
--
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Honda CB-125S
TEK Sampling Sweep Plugin and RM564
Tek 2465 $800, ham radio, 30pS pulser
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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mike wrote:
| Quote: | Actually, from you. If you don't have an internet connection, you
still have to call up on the phone. And what are you gonna do when
the person on the other end sez, "sorry sir, we no longer support
that operating system. Give my your credit card number and I can
upgrade you to version 27 for a mere $200. You can download the
2Gigabyte file here with your dialup connection. And you'll also
need a processor upgrade to 45GHz. and another five gigs of ram, and
a new motherboard that can't use your ATA hard drive and will no
longer support your parallel port devices or ISA devices and we don't
have drivers for many of your older accessories and...."
I admit I have little experience with XP, only took me a few hours to
decide to uninstall it, but as I recall, everytime I clicked on a help
icon, it wanted to connect to the web to get the help file.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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Hurricane Andrew wrote:
| Quote: | mike wrote:
Actually, from you. If you don't have an internet connection, you
still have to call up on the phone. And what are you gonna do when
the person on the other end sez, "sorry sir, we no longer support
that operating system. Give my your credit card number and I can
upgrade you to version 27 for a mere $200. You can download the
2Gigabyte file here with your dialup connection. And you'll also
need a processor upgrade to 45GHz. and another five gigs of ram, and
a new motherboard that can't use your ATA hard drive and will no
longer support your parallel port devices or ISA devices and we don't
have drivers for many of your older accessories and...."
I admit I have little experience with XP, only took me a few hours to
decide to uninstall it, but as I recall, everytime I clicked on a help
icon, it wanted to connect to the web to get the help file.
Perhaps you'd like a little cheese with that whine?
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Yes, please.
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Tweek
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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When you call to activate, you don't even talk to a person, you talk to a
computer. You read it the code that XP generates and then it reads back the
numbers you need to input to activate. Takes about 5 minutes.
"mike" <spamme0@juno.com> wrote in message news:3FC839E2.3020002@juno.com...
| Quote: | Bill wrote:
XP does not require an internet connection to run, where did you hear
that?
Actually, from you. If you don't have an internet connection, you still
have to call up on the phone. And what are you gonna do when the person
on the other end sez, "sorry sir, we no longer support that operating
system. Give my your credit card number and I can upgrade you to
version 27 for a mere $200. You can download the 2Gigabyte file here
with your dialup connection. And you'll also need a processor upgrade
to 45GHz. and another five gigs of ram, and a new motherboard that can't
use your ATA hard drive and will no longer support your parallel port
devices or ISA devices and we don't have drivers for many of your older
accessories and...."
I admit I have little experience with XP, only took me a few hours to
decide to uninstall it, but as I recall, everytime I clicked on a help
icon, it wanted to connect to the web to get the help file.
Product activation is required, but it's quick/painless, and not the
Anti-Christ that so many people have made it out to be--and can be
accomplished by dialing a toll-free number if you don't have an internet
connection. Upgrades such as new hard drives can be easily accomplished
without having to re-activate--I've installed two since getting XP, and
the
operating system never balked.
I have plugin drives and flip configurations in and out like pancakes.
I don't want any "HELP" from my operating system.
Something such as a new motherboard will require reactivation--but it's
no
big deal! I did it myself back in August, after purchasing a new
motherboard/CPU--a five minute phone call was all it took, and I was
back
up/running.
I don't want ANY phone calls to get permission to use my own ***
machine...EVER!!! The writing is on the wall. At some point, it will
be inevitable, but that point ain't here yet. Pray for linux to become
viable.
I have 98 SE on a secondary hard drive, should a compatibility issue
ever
arise, but I don't like using it. XP has been incredibly stable for me,
with
system crashes being practically non-existent. And my version of Norton
Ghost (part of Systemworks 2002 Professional) works beautifully with XP.
I
can reinstall my entire XP partition in a matter of minutes, with NO
reactivation required.
I use Ghost 5.1D. As I recall, it wouldn't work with XP because XP
refused to reboot into dos so my scripts would work. But I didn't play
with it much.
If you write control programs that directly access the parallel port,
you have a problem when you get past 98. Yes, it can be done, but not
with the hardware/software and skills that I already have.
And you say it's expensive? XP Home Edition costs no more than 98 or ME.
I
paid $99.00
That's what I said...expensive. Existing 98 is $0.
I didn't pay $99 for my whole *** computer.
for it at Target in July of last year, it's some of the best
money I've ever spent.
You say it's a target for viruses? And I suppose Windows 98 WASN'T????!!
Exactly...past tense.
Yes, you still need firewalls and virus scanners, but I don't think my
netscape is gonna be as vulnerable to explorer exploits.
In
a year and a half, my system has yet to become infected. If you use the
internet, downloading updates on a regular basis is important--
This is also a problem. I've read way too many reports of one bugfix
creating another bug. You go from a system with some vulnerability to
one that no longer does the stuff you want. I don't want any automatic
anything. I decide what goes on my machine and when.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just don't put anything important on
the system you use to connect to the web.
the same as
older operating systems. Simple common sense doesn't hurt either.
Again, exactly my point. It's common sense to leave it alone if it's
working. People get way too excited about having the latest and
greatest. It's more about bragging rights than functionality for most
of us.
The OP said, "I am currently using Win98SE and have been pretty happy
with it." Happy is good.
mike
"mike" <spamme0@juno.com> wrote in message
news:3FC71C02.5010500@juno.com...
Brian White wrote:
Hi
I am currently using Win98SE and have been pretty happy with it.
However, I think it's time to upgrade to a newer OS.
Why?
If you absolutely gotta have something that won't run on 98, you have no
choice.
If you don't, you don't have a motive.
If it works, don't fix it.
Here's why I did NOT upgrade to XP.
1)It doesn't do anything more that I need.
2)It breaks a significant number of the programs
I use regularly. Ghost, anything that talks to an i/o port.
3)It won't let me reconfigure my hardware without calling home.
and begging for permission.
4)At some point, they'll quit granting permission to FORCE you to
the next big thing. Delay that as long as possible.
5)It's EXPENSIVE.
6)It's a target for virus/malware
7)I don't have enough horsepower to run it at the same performance
level I get with 98.
8)The license agreement seems to grant M$ complete authority over my
hardware and software. They can remotely do anything they want any time
with my system.
9)JUST SAY NO to any sw that REQUIRES an internet connection to run.
mike
I am planning to
go to WinXP Pro. Is this possible? I've described the motherboard I
have below.
I'm quite happy to search out new drivers and so on off the internet
as we have other PCs that can stay online. Also, any hints and tips
that people can offer based on their own experience would be very
welcome (or pointers to websites that you rate highly).
One think I would rather not do is have to buy lots more software. I
don't have that much but there are a handful of things that I use
everyday that I'd have to replace if they didn't carry on working. I
just don't know enough about XP to know if I can continue to use this
old software in the short term whilst I save up for the new stuff.
The final question I have is about rebuilding my PC in the future.
When I do this upgrade, I'll be starting from a completely empty hard
disk (I'll have the info from the old hard disk on one of the other
PCs on my LAN). This seems like a good time to make what I think is
called an 'image' in case things go seriously wrong in the future.
Does anyone have any advice on (i) is it worth bothering with - I've
never done it for the current OS but I have made 'data' backups every
few months - and (ii) any hints and tips or pointers to good websites
for this too.
I have a Gateway 866 P-III PC (bought summer of 2000). I think it has
the Intel 82815 (i815) motherboard/chipset. I have the max 512MB
memory on it. I'll be fitting a 120MB hard drive (from the current
30MB) and a DVD re-writer.
Thanks in advance
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Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
laptops and parts Test Equipment
Honda CB-125S
TEK Sampling Sweep Plugin and RM564
Tek 2465 $800, ham radio, 30pS pulser
Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head...
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/
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Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
laptops and parts Test Equipment
Honda CB-125S
TEK Sampling Sweep Plugin and RM564
Tek 2465 $800, ham radio, 30pS pulser
Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head...
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/
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Tweek wrote:
| Quote: | When you call to activate, you don't even talk to a person, you talk to a
computer. You read it the code that XP generates and then it reads back the
numbers you need to input to activate. Takes about 5 minutes.
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I know I'm beating dead sheep, but...
What are you going to do when, not if, WHEN, that computer voice responds:
1) That operating system is no longer supported
2) The number you've called is not in service at this time...
3) That activation code is invalid
4) You have exceeded your maximum number of reactivations
5) That license is in use by another user
6) That code indicates that Microsoft has detected unauthorized software
on your computer. Please download bigbrother.dll and reboot to remove
all unauthorized software from your system before proceeding.
Unless there's a trojan in there somewhere, my 98SE is gonna run on
this hardware and be compatible with this software until I, Me, MYSELF
alone, decide to change it.
You're all happy sheep now. Fast Forward a few years....
Microsoft Internet Explorer V22 REQUIRED to view this content.
MSIE V22 is available by subscription for $9.95/month...free if you use
MSN broadband.
MSN Broadband REQUIRED to view this content. MSN Broadband is available
by monthly subscription (uptime and minimum transmission speed not
guaranteed Download speed will never be MORE than specified in your
contract) for only $69/month...$79 if you don't have
MSN cable TV, yes we control that too...
Internet Explorer V22 REQUIRES Windows YZ
Windows YZ is available by monthly subscription at only $19.95/month.
Office YZ is the only version compatible with Windows YZ and is
available by monthly subscription for a mere $19.95/month.
Microsoft antivirus is available by monthly subscription of $9.95/month
Windows Media player can be configured to play the cd's you already
own and download songs to your portable device. Subscription is
$4.95/month each for the source computer and each remote device plus
10-cents per song transferred. Downloaded music content is also
available for $9.95/month/computer plus 10-cents per song per play
billed to your MSN account.
Direct deposit of your paycheck to your MSN bill is available.
A 10% convenience fee applies. Subscription fees subject to change
without notice...it's not like you have any alternative.
By using this software, you agree to the terms of service granting MS
unrestricted access to your hardware and software. MS has the right to
remove or disable any hardware or software or content for any reason.
System
updates that enhance MS profitability will be automatically downloaded
and applied without regard for their effect on your system. Online help
to fix the stuff we FSCK up is available by subscription for only
$9.95/month. We don't guarantee we can fix it, we just guarantee that
someone will answer your call...eventually. Actually, we don't
guarantee anything. What you get is what you get...take it or leave it!
There's a tiny threat from LINUX now, but as soon as MS gains control
of it, the above WILL happen. It's already started. A business model
based on highly fragmented usage/subscription fees can be immensely
profitable for a monopoly. And you no longer have to spend all that
money on product development. All you need is a cash register and
a pot full of anti-trust lawyers and a pocket full of legislators.
Look closely at your electric bill and think about how that happened.
If you think it's absurd, you're right.
Email me in 10 years to tell me how wrong I was. I'd very much like to
be wrong.
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Edward J. Neth
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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Don't count on 98 (or 95 or ME) forever. Many software publishers have
begun quietly releasing software with a Unicode architecture - it will run
under NT/2000/XP, but it won't run under any DOS-based OS.
Yes, you can keep 98 running - but you won't be able to upgrade quite a few
programs as time progresses, and DOS is finally abandoned by software
publishers.
"mike" <spamme0@juno.com> wrote in message news:3FC9B70A.4010902@juno.com...
| Quote: | Tweek wrote:
When you call to activate, you don't even talk to a person, you talk to
a
computer. You read it the code that XP generates and then it reads back
the
numbers you need to input to activate. Takes about 5 minutes.
I know I'm beating dead sheep, but...
What are you going to do when, not if, WHEN, that computer voice responds:
1) That operating system is no longer supported
2) The number you've called is not in service at this time...
3) That activation code is invalid
4) You have exceeded your maximum number of reactivations
5) That license is in use by another user
6) That code indicates that Microsoft has detected unauthorized software
on your computer. Please download bigbrother.dll and reboot to remove
all unauthorized software from your system before proceeding.
Unless there's a trojan in there somewhere, my 98SE is gonna run on
this hardware and be compatible with this software until I, Me, MYSELF
alone, decide to change it.
You're all happy sheep now. Fast Forward a few years....
Microsoft Internet Explorer V22 REQUIRED to view this content.
MSIE V22 is available by subscription for $9.95/month...free if you use
MSN broadband.
MSN Broadband REQUIRED to view this content. MSN Broadband is available
by monthly subscription (uptime and minimum transmission speed not
guaranteed Download speed will never be MORE than specified in your
contract) for only $69/month...$79 if you don't have
MSN cable TV, yes we control that too...
Internet Explorer V22 REQUIRES Windows YZ
Windows YZ is available by monthly subscription at only $19.95/month.
Office YZ is the only version compatible with Windows YZ and is
available by monthly subscription for a mere $19.95/month.
Microsoft antivirus is available by monthly subscription of $9.95/month
Windows Media player can be configured to play the cd's you already
own and download songs to your portable device. Subscription is
$4.95/month each for the source computer and each remote device plus
10-cents per song transferred. Downloaded music content is also
available for $9.95/month/computer plus 10-cents per song per play
billed to your MSN account.
Direct deposit of your paycheck to your MSN bill is available.
A 10% convenience fee applies. Subscription fees subject to change
without notice...it's not like you have any alternative.
By using this software, you agree to the terms of service granting MS
unrestricted access to your hardware and software. MS has the right to
remove or disable any hardware or software or content for any reason.
System
updates that enhance MS profitability will be automatically downloaded
and applied without regard for their effect on your system. Online help
to fix the stuff we FSCK up is available by subscription for only
$9.95/month. We don't guarantee we can fix it, we just guarantee that
someone will answer your call...eventually. Actually, we don't
guarantee anything. What you get is what you get...take it or leave it!
There's a tiny threat from LINUX now, but as soon as MS gains control
of it, the above WILL happen. It's already started. A business model
based on highly fragmented usage/subscription fees can be immensely
profitable for a monopoly. And you no longer have to spend all that
money on product development. All you need is a cash register and
a pot full of anti-trust lawyers and a pocket full of legislators.
Look closely at your electric bill and think about how that happened.
If you think it's absurd, you're right.
Email me in 10 years to tell me how wrong I was. I'd very much like to
be wrong.
mike
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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Mike, I'm honestly not worried about the scenario that you're trying to
paint--if it happens, and is accepted by our government and its people,
there will be far worse in our country to fret with than operating systems.
Microsoft has already been to court over anti-trust issues--and some changes
made to Windows XP after its release are a direct result of that court
appearance. If what you're descibing below ever comes to pass, there will be
a public (and government)outcry the likes of which have yet to be seen.
If 98 works for you, fine. Stick with it as long as possible--as long as it
continues to meet your needs, that's all that really matters. Personally
though, I'm very happy with my XP-based system. It supports RAM above 512
megs without balking, supports bigger hard drives, fully supports newer
chips such as the Pentium 4 HT, and boots very quickly. Stability is still
my favorite feature of XP though, as blue screen errors/total system crashes
are extremely rare.
In a previous posting, you mentioned that you paid zero dollars for Windows
98, as it came with your computer. Go out today, buy a new Windows-based
computer, and you'd be getting XP thrown in as part of the deal. Just for
the record though, the retail boxed version of XP is identical in price to
the retail version of Windows 98--$99.00 for the upgrade version, and
$199.00 for the full install.
"mike" <spamme0@juno.com> wrote in message news:3FC9B70A.4010902@juno.com...
| Quote: | Tweek wrote:
When you call to activate, you don't even talk to a person, you talk to
a
computer. You read it the code that XP generates and then it reads back
the
numbers you need to input to activate. Takes about 5 minutes.
I know I'm beating dead sheep, but...
What are you going to do when, not if, WHEN, that computer voice responds:
1) That operating system is no longer supported
2) The number you've called is not in service at this time...
3) That activation code is invalid
4) You have exceeded your maximum number of reactivations
5) That license is in use by another user
6) That code indicates that Microsoft has detected unauthorized software
on your computer. Please download bigbrother.dll and reboot to remove
all unauthorized software from your system before proceeding.
Unless there's a trojan in there somewhere, my 98SE is gonna run on
this hardware and be compatible with this software until I, Me, MYSELF
alone, decide to change it.
You're all happy sheep now. Fast Forward a few years....
Microsoft Internet Explorer V22 REQUIRED to view this content.
MSIE V22 is available by subscription for $9.95/month...free if you use
MSN broadband.
MSN Broadband REQUIRED to view this content. MSN Broadband is available
by monthly subscription (uptime and minimum transmission speed not
guaranteed Download speed will never be MORE than specified in your
contract) for only $69/month...$79 if you don't have
MSN cable TV, yes we control that too...
Internet Explorer V22 REQUIRES Windows YZ
Windows YZ is available by monthly subscription at only $19.95/month.
Office YZ is the only version compatible with Windows YZ and is
available by monthly subscription for a mere $19.95/month.
Microsoft antivirus is available by monthly subscription of $9.95/month
Windows Media player can be configured to play the cd's you already
own and download songs to your portable device. Subscription is
$4.95/month each for the source computer and each remote device plus
10-cents per song transferred. Downloaded music content is also
available for $9.95/month/computer plus 10-cents per song per play
billed to your MSN account.
Direct deposit of your paycheck to your MSN bill is available.
A 10% convenience fee applies. Subscription fees subject to change
without notice...it's not like you have any alternative.
By using this software, you agree to the terms of service granting MS
unrestricted access to your hardware and software. MS has the right to
remove or disable any hardware or software or content for any reason.
System
updates that enhance MS profitability will be automatically downloaded
and applied without regard for their effect on your system. Online help
to fix the stuff we FSCK up is available by subscription for only
$9.95/month. We don't guarantee we can fix it, we just guarantee that
someone will answer your call...eventually. Actually, we don't
guarantee anything. What you get is what you get...take it or leave it!
There's a tiny threat from LINUX now, but as soon as MS gains control
of it, the above WILL happen. It's already started. A business model
based on highly fragmented usage/subscription fees can be immensely
profitable for a monopoly. And you no longer have to spend all that
money on product development. All you need is a cash register and
a pot full of anti-trust lawyers and a pocket full of legislators.
Look closely at your electric bill and think about how that happened.
If you think it's absurd, you're right.
Email me in 10 years to tell me how wrong I was. I'd very much like to
be wrong.
mike
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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Bill wrote:
| Quote: | Mike, I'm honestly not worried about the scenario that you're trying to
paint--if it happens, and is accepted by our government and its people,
there will be far worse in our country to fret with than operating systems.
|
I'm sure there were a lot of Germans in the 30's who felt the same way.
Just look at how many equivalent competing cellphone networks we have in
the US. Look at what happened with ENRON? My government was sure on
the ball.
'bout the only thing public outcry has done lately was elect Arnold!
I'm sure that will fix things right quick...
Something is not GOOD just because you can point out something that's WORSE.
| Quote: |
Microsoft has already been to court over anti-trust issues--and some changes
made to Windows XP after its release are a direct result of that court
appearance. If what you're descibing below ever comes to pass, there will be
a public (and government)outcry the likes of which have yet to be seen.
|
Microsoft didn't even get a slap on the wrist. They've got us right
where they want us. Magicians call it misdirection. There's no public
outcry because most of us don't have a clue about what's going on in our
computer. Daddy brings it home one day and we start visiting chatrooms
and downloading ***. We don't give a ratsass about invasive software
or initial cost or ongoing cost.
When something costs money, daddy pays it. If it breaks, daddy gets
another one. By the time we're daddy, we just keep doing the same.
Why even worry about compatibility with a dodgy old 1GHz.
computer...just get a new one. If we can afford $59.99/month so we can
dial our cellphone before we get out of our driveway, we can surely
afford XP. Just so you're not confused, I don't have a cellphone or XP.
Don't get me started on all the unnecessary crap that they put on what
used to be cars.
| Quote: |
If 98 works for you, fine. Stick with it as long as possible--as long as it
continues to meet your needs, that's all that really matters. Personally
though, I'm very happy with my XP-based system. It supports RAM above 512
megs without balking, supports bigger hard drives, fully supports newer
chips such as the Pentium 4 HT, and boots very quickly. Stability is still
my favorite feature of XP though, as blue screen errors/total system crashes
are extremely rare.
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If you quit using windows explorer and internet explorer, even a win95
system is pretty stable. If I had a server that my business depended
on, I'd probably want more stability, but another version of windows
might not be my first choice...but soon, there won't be any other choice.
| Quote: |
In a previous posting, you mentioned that you paid zero dollars for Windows
98, as it came with your computer.
|
If you're gonna put words in my mouth, please try to use the same words
that originally came out. What I said was NOT UPGRADING a 98 system
costs $0. Compared to $99 to upgrade to XP (not including all the new
hardware and software you need to get back to your current functionality).
I actually paid $5 for my 98 license, but I made 'em throw in a usb hub
and 128megs of ram along with it. That was about 3 years ago. Today,
you can find 98 for a quarter.
Go out today, buy a new Windows-based
| Quote: | computer, and you'd be getting XP thrown in as part of the deal. Just for
the record though, the retail boxed version of XP is identical in price to
the retail version of Windows 98--$99.00 for the upgrade version, and
$199.00 for the full install.
|
Not if you build your own system and reuse your old 98 license. I'll
admit that you're pretty much scr**ed if you want to buy a laptop.
Care to guess my solution to that problem?
You used a word I'm not familiar with: "new"??? What does that mean???
All I did was answer a request for opinion. My opinion was, "don't do
it if you don't absolutely, positively have to have something you can't
get from what you've already got!" I would have given the same advice
about an automobile, dishwasher, television or a spouse.
I guesstimate that 90% of the things we "fix" ain't broke.
Opine all you want, mine's unchanged.
I'll buy you a beer in 10 years. I'm sure we'll have plenty to talk about.
mike
--
Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
laptops and parts Test Equipment
Honda CB-125S
TEK Sampling Sweep Plugin and RM564
Tek 2465 $800, ham radio, 30pS pulser
Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head...
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/ |
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PC Gladiator
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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Better get going on that Linux system...
"mike" <spamme0@juno.com> wrote in message news:3FCA12FA.7050608@juno.com...
| Quote: | Bill wrote:
Mike, I'm honestly not worried about the scenario that you're trying to
paint--if it happens, and is accepted by our government and its people,
there will be far worse in our country to fret with than operating
systems.
I'm sure there were a lot of Germans in the 30's who felt the same way.
Just look at how many equivalent competing cellphone networks we have in
the US. Look at what happened with ENRON? My government was sure on
the ball.
'bout the only thing public outcry has done lately was elect Arnold!
I'm sure that will fix things right quick...
Something is not GOOD just because you can point out something that's
WORSE.
Microsoft has already been to court over anti-trust issues--and some
changes
made to Windows XP after its release are a direct result of that court
appearance. If what you're descibing below ever comes to pass, there
will be
a public (and government)outcry the likes of which have yet to be seen.
Microsoft didn't even get a slap on the wrist. They've got us right
where they want us. Magicians call it misdirection. There's no public
outcry because most of us don't have a clue about what's going on in our
computer. Daddy brings it home one day and we start visiting chatrooms
and downloading ***. We don't give a ratsass about invasive software
or initial cost or ongoing cost.
When something costs money, daddy pays it. If it breaks, daddy gets
another one. By the time we're daddy, we just keep doing the same.
Why even worry about compatibility with a dodgy old 1GHz.
computer...just get a new one. If we can afford $59.99/month so we can
dial our cellphone before we get out of our driveway, we can surely
afford XP. Just so you're not confused, I don't have a cellphone or XP.
Don't get me started on all the unnecessary crap that they put on what
used to be cars.
If 98 works for you, fine. Stick with it as long as possible--as long as
it
continues to meet your needs, that's all that really matters. Personally
though, I'm very happy with my XP-based system. It supports RAM above
512
megs without balking, supports bigger hard drives, fully supports newer
chips such as the Pentium 4 HT, and boots very quickly. Stability is
still
my favorite feature of XP though, as blue screen errors/total system
crashes
are extremely rare.
If you quit using windows explorer and internet explorer, even a win95
system is pretty stable. If I had a server that my business depended
on, I'd probably want more stability, but another version of windows
might not be my first choice...but soon, there won't be any other choice.
In a previous posting, you mentioned that you paid zero dollars for
Windows
98, as it came with your computer.
If you're gonna put words in my mouth, please try to use the same words
that originally came out. What I said was NOT UPGRADING a 98 system
costs $0. Compared to $99 to upgrade to XP (not including all the new
hardware and software you need to get back to your current functionality).
I actually paid $5 for my 98 license, but I made 'em throw in a usb hub
and 128megs of ram along with it. That was about 3 years ago. Today,
you can find 98 for a quarter.
Go out today, buy a new Windows-based
computer, and you'd be getting XP thrown in as part of the deal. Just
for
the record though, the retail boxed version of XP is identical in price
to
the retail version of Windows 98--$99.00 for the upgrade version, and
$199.00 for the full install.
Not if you build your own system and reuse your old 98 license. I'll
admit that you're pretty much scr**ed if you want to buy a laptop.
Care to guess my solution to that problem?
You used a word I'm not familiar with: "new"??? What does that mean???
All I did was answer a request for opinion. My opinion was, "don't do
it if you don't absolutely, positively have to have something you can't
get from what you've already got!" I would have given the same advice
about an automobile, dishwasher, television or a spouse.
I guesstimate that 90% of the things we "fix" ain't broke.
Opine all you want, mine's unchanged.
I'll buy you a beer in 10 years. I'm sure we'll have plenty to talk
about.
mike
--
Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
laptops and parts Test Equipment
Honda CB-125S
TEK Sampling Sweep Plugin and RM564
Tek 2465 $800, ham radio, 30pS pulser
Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head...
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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PC Gladiator wrote:
| Quote: | Better get going on that Linux system...
People throw that out like it's an actual possibility. |
I started the LINUX switch process two
years ago. My first problem was that there are many
incompatible distributions. They use different setup/configuration
processes. I very quickly got to the point where
70% of my needs were met. By switching distributions, I
could get a different 70% of my needs met. Problem was that I
need 100% of my needs met on the same system.
An OS that doesn't support
my mouse or my webcam or my cd burner or puts snow on
my video screen or...just ain't gonna cut it. Over the
last two years, the fragmentation has gotten worse, not better.
Microsoft is successful in large part because of their
monopoly position. They have controlled distribution.
A software or hardware vendor has some reasonable
expectation that the third release of their product
will pretty much install and work on any windows XX
installation. You cannot have this when any high school
kid can compile new features into the kernel, or worse,
take features out of the kernel and distribute
it for free in an instant.
You can't make a buck on LINUX, so you have to differientiate
your product. This fragmentation is a fact of life and
is not fixable technically. It needs someone with
deep pockets to stabilize releases to the point where
software vendors can make a buck and hardware vendors
will write drivers. No hardware drivers -> no installed base.
No installed base -> no hardware drivers. And those deep
pockets need to be refilled eventually. Ain't gonna happen
unless Bill just decides to do it...which kinda defeats the
purpose. You can bet he WILL do it if it ever threatens his position.
There are probably at least a dozen people at MS who could write
a personal check for the amount of money it would take MS to snatch
the Linux market from a would-be competitor.
Quick show of hands. How many struggling commercial hardware vendors with
100% of your sales going into Wintel systems are ready to piss off
Bill Gates by promoting LINUX drivers?
LINUX cannot go mainstream until
There's a business model that makes money for everybody
There are stable (evaluated) product releases
Every hardware device at CompUSA, comes
with LINUX drivers.
"Recompile the kernel" is removed from the lexicon.
There's someone to call when you have a problem.
By this time it is no longer free...or even cheap.
LINUX is likely to remain a geek's toy and be used on server farms
where you have a very controlled environment and a high
concentration of very expensive MS SW.
Granny ain't never gonna recompile the kernel.
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PC Gladiator
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Geez, you make MS sound like a God send! ;-)
With Linux in its relative infancy, you'll have to purchase equipment and
software that is supported of course. No surprise there. But just think of
your ultimate delight at running a system that is Bill Gates worse
nightmare!
"mike" <spamme0@juno.com> wrote in message news:3FCA2EA9.9010308@juno.com...
| Quote: | PC Gladiator wrote:
Better get going on that Linux system...
People throw that out like it's an actual possibility.
I started the LINUX switch process two
years ago. My first problem was that there are many
incompatible distributions. They use different setup/configuration
processes. I very quickly got to the point where
70% of my needs were met. By switching distributions, I
could get a different 70% of my needs met. Problem was that I
need 100% of my needs met on the same system.
An OS that doesn't support
my mouse or my webcam or my cd burner or puts snow on
my video screen or...just ain't gonna cut it. Over the
last two years, the fragmentation has gotten worse, not better.
Microsoft is successful in large part because of their
monopoly position. They have controlled distribution.
A software or hardware vendor has some reasonable
expectation that the third release of their product
will pretty much install and work on any windows XX
installation. You cannot have this when any high school
kid can compile new features into the kernel, or worse,
take features out of the kernel and distribute
it for free in an instant.
You can't make a buck on LINUX, so you have to differientiate
your product. This fragmentation is a fact of life and
is not fixable technically. It needs someone with
deep pockets to stabilize releases to the point where
software vendors can make a buck and hardware vendors
will write drivers. No hardware drivers -> no installed base.
No installed base -> no hardware drivers. And those deep
pockets need to be refilled eventually. Ain't gonna happen
unless Bill just decides to do it...which kinda defeats the
purpose. You can bet he WILL do it if it ever threatens his position.
There are probably at least a dozen people at MS who could write
a personal check for the amount of money it would take MS to snatch
the Linux market from a would-be competitor.
Quick show of hands. How many struggling commercial hardware vendors with
100% of your sales going into Wintel systems are ready to piss off
Bill Gates by promoting LINUX drivers?
LINUX cannot go mainstream until
There's a business model that makes money for everybody
There are stable (evaluated) product releases
Every hardware device at CompUSA, comes
with LINUX drivers.
"Recompile the kernel" is removed from the lexicon.
There's someone to call when you have a problem.
By this time it is no longer free...or even cheap.
LINUX is likely to remain a geek's toy and be used on server farms
where you have a very controlled environment and a high
concentration of very expensive MS SW.
Granny ain't never gonna recompile the kernel.
mike
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