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Hurricane Andrew
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 Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 4:04 am Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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Sounds like your best bet is to quit using computers altogether. About the
only thing you haven't complained about in this thread is the old Commodore
64, but I'm sure you have some wonderful insight on that as well...
--
Andy
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Freedom and fear are at war. The advance of human freedom -- the great
achievement of our time, and the great hope of every time -- now
depends on us... We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not
fail.
--President George W. Bush, September 20, 2001
mike wrote:
| Quote: | PC Gladiator wrote:
Better get going on that Linux system...
People throw that out like it's an actual possibility.
I started the LINUX switch process two
years ago. My first problem was that there are many
incompatible distributions. They use different setup/configuration
processes. I very quickly got to the point where
70% of my needs were met. By switching distributions, I
could get a different 70% of my needs met. Problem was that I
need 100% of my needs met on the same system.
An OS that doesn't support
my mouse or my webcam or my cd burner or puts snow on
my video screen or...just ain't gonna cut it. Over the
last two years, the fragmentation has gotten worse, not better.
Microsoft is successful in large part because of their
monopoly position. They have controlled distribution.
A software or hardware vendor has some reasonable
expectation that the third release of their product
will pretty much install and work on any windows XX
installation. You cannot have this when any high school
kid can compile new features into the kernel, or worse,
take features out of the kernel and distribute
it for free in an instant.
You can't make a buck on LINUX, so you have to differientiate
your product. This fragmentation is a fact of life and
is not fixable technically. It needs someone with
deep pockets to stabilize releases to the point where
software vendors can make a buck and hardware vendors
will write drivers. No hardware drivers -> no installed base.
No installed base -> no hardware drivers. And those deep
pockets need to be refilled eventually. Ain't gonna happen
unless Bill just decides to do it...which kinda defeats the
purpose. You can bet he WILL do it if it ever threatens his position.
There are probably at least a dozen people at MS who could write
a personal check for the amount of money it would take MS to snatch
the Linux market from a would-be competitor.
Quick show of hands. How many struggling commercial hardware vendors
with 100% of your sales going into Wintel systems are ready to piss
off Bill Gates by promoting LINUX drivers?
LINUX cannot go mainstream until
There's a business model that makes money for everybody
There are stable (evaluated) product releases
Every hardware device at CompUSA, comes
with LINUX drivers.
"Recompile the kernel" is removed from the lexicon.
There's someone to call when you have a problem.
By this time it is no longer free...or even cheap.
LINUX is likely to remain a geek's toy and be used on server farms
where you have a very controlled environment and a high
concentration of very expensive MS SW.
Granny ain't never gonna recompile the kernel.
mike |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 4:58 am Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:09:00 -0500, "PC Gladiator"
<PC-Gladiator@Mail-Dump.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Geez, you make MS sound like a God send! ;-)
With Linux in its relative infancy, you'll have to purchase equipment and
software that is supported of course. No surprise there. But just think of
your ultimate delight at running a system that is Bill Gates worse
nightmare!
What OS is on the computer you used to post your replies? |
Glenn M
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Ben Myers
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:01 am Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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Brian,
The Intel 815 chipset will pose no problems for the installation of Windows XP
Home or Pro. 512MB is sufficient memory. What about graphics? If it is
integrated onto the motherboard, no problemo. If the system has a freestanding
graphics card, what kind is it?
As a rule, I would check for the availability of drivers for each and every
device in the system except for the hard drive(s) and any DVD, CD, CD-RW or
similar devices, for which support by XP is a given.
If you have an HP printer, beware that the XP drivers for HP DeskJets and
All-in-One scanner/copier/printer devices are often either absent or they
provide far less capability than the Windows 98SE drivers. The same may also be
true for scanners, cameras, and just about any other external device from other
manufacturers. So do your homework first, to avoid disappointment or at least
to anticipate the problems you will encounter.
I've stopped bashing Windows XP except for its high price, security holes, and
rigid authentication process. It is stable and reliable, but only if you
download and install 40+MB of various and sundry critical fixes, security
patches, and service packs. If you do not have broadband, this could be a long
horror show. Depending on which updates you install, several reboots are
required. Not a lot of fun, but you only have to do it once, I hope.
.... Ben Myers
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 07:42:26 +0000, Brian White <brian.whitespam@pobox.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Hi
I am currently using Win98SE and have been pretty happy with it.
However, I think it's time to upgrade to a newer OS. I am planning to
go to WinXP Pro. Is this possible? I've described the motherboard I
have below.
I'm quite happy to search out new drivers and so on off the internet
as we have other PCs that can stay online. Also, any hints and tips
that people can offer based on their own experience would be very
welcome (or pointers to websites that you rate highly).
One think I would rather not do is have to buy lots more software. I
don't have that much but there are a handful of things that I use
everyday that I'd have to replace if they didn't carry on working. I
just don't know enough about XP to know if I can continue to use this
old software in the short term whilst I save up for the new stuff.
The final question I have is about rebuilding my PC in the future.
When I do this upgrade, I'll be starting from a completely empty hard
disk (I'll have the info from the old hard disk on one of the other
PCs on my LAN). This seems like a good time to make what I think is
called an 'image' in case things go seriously wrong in the future.
Does anyone have any advice on (i) is it worth bothering with - I've
never done it for the current OS but I have made 'data' backups every
few months - and (ii) any hints and tips or pointers to good websites
for this too.
I have a Gateway 866 P-III PC (bought summer of 2000). I think it has
the Intel 82815 (i815) motherboard/chipset. I have the max 512MB
memory on it. I'll be fitting a 120MB hard drive (from the current
30MB) and a DVD re-writer.
Thanks in advance
--
TTFN
Brian
Reply to brian [.] white [@] pobox [.] com
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PC Gladiator
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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For some strange reason, you came to mind when I saw this. Not that you
needed anymore reasons to hate Microsoft.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/999790.asp?0dm=C1APT
"mike" <spamme0@juno.com> wrote in message news:3FCA2EA9.9010308@juno.com...
| Quote: | PC Gladiator wrote:
Better get going on that Linux system...
People throw that out like it's an actual possibility.
I started the LINUX switch process two
years ago. My first problem was that there are many
incompatible distributions. They use different setup/configuration
processes. I very quickly got to the point where
70% of my needs were met. By switching distributions, I
could get a different 70% of my needs met. Problem was that I
need 100% of my needs met on the same system.
An OS that doesn't support
my mouse or my webcam or my cd burner or puts snow on
my video screen or...just ain't gonna cut it. Over the
last two years, the fragmentation has gotten worse, not better.
Microsoft is successful in large part because of their
monopoly position. They have controlled distribution.
A software or hardware vendor has some reasonable
expectation that the third release of their product
will pretty much install and work on any windows XX
installation. You cannot have this when any high school
kid can compile new features into the kernel, or worse,
take features out of the kernel and distribute
it for free in an instant.
You can't make a buck on LINUX, so you have to differientiate
your product. This fragmentation is a fact of life and
is not fixable technically. It needs someone with
deep pockets to stabilize releases to the point where
software vendors can make a buck and hardware vendors
will write drivers. No hardware drivers -> no installed base.
No installed base -> no hardware drivers. And those deep
pockets need to be refilled eventually. Ain't gonna happen
unless Bill just decides to do it...which kinda defeats the
purpose. You can bet he WILL do it if it ever threatens his position.
There are probably at least a dozen people at MS who could write
a personal check for the amount of money it would take MS to snatch
the Linux market from a would-be competitor.
Quick show of hands. How many struggling commercial hardware vendors with
100% of your sales going into Wintel systems are ready to piss off
Bill Gates by promoting LINUX drivers?
LINUX cannot go mainstream until
There's a business model that makes money for everybody
There are stable (evaluated) product releases
Every hardware device at CompUSA, comes
with LINUX drivers.
"Recompile the kernel" is removed from the lexicon.
There's someone to call when you have a problem.
By this time it is no longer free...or even cheap.
LINUX is likely to remain a geek's toy and be used on server farms
where you have a very controlled environment and a high
concentration of very expensive MS SW.
Granny ain't never gonna recompile the kernel.
mike
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Ben Myers
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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"Microsoft wants its software in cars"!!!! Yeah, right. I can just see my car
getting hacked, acquiring a virus that causes the motor to seize up or the car
to crash. Or pulling into the gas station, filling the tank, then paying
additional money with my credit card so I can continue to drive. Otherwise, my
subscription to drive would expire. Doubtless, Microsoft's agreements with
automakers will be secret, so we won't know that Windows is running in our cars.
The bastards really have balls! ... Ben Myers
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:43:55 -0500, "PC Gladiator" <PC-Gladiator@Mail-Dump.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | For some strange reason, you came to mind when I saw this. Not that you
needed anymore reasons to hate Microsoft.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/999790.asp?0dm=C1APT
"mike" <spamme0@juno.com> wrote in message news:3FCA2EA9.9010308@juno.com...
PC Gladiator wrote:
Better get going on that Linux system...
People throw that out like it's an actual possibility.
I started the LINUX switch process two
years ago. My first problem was that there are many
incompatible distributions. They use different setup/configuration
processes. I very quickly got to the point where
70% of my needs were met. By switching distributions, I
could get a different 70% of my needs met. Problem was that I
need 100% of my needs met on the same system.
An OS that doesn't support
my mouse or my webcam or my cd burner or puts snow on
my video screen or...just ain't gonna cut it. Over the
last two years, the fragmentation has gotten worse, not better.
Microsoft is successful in large part because of their
monopoly position. They have controlled distribution.
A software or hardware vendor has some reasonable
expectation that the third release of their product
will pretty much install and work on any windows XX
installation. You cannot have this when any high school
kid can compile new features into the kernel, or worse,
take features out of the kernel and distribute
it for free in an instant.
You can't make a buck on LINUX, so you have to differientiate
your product. This fragmentation is a fact of life and
is not fixable technically. It needs someone with
deep pockets to stabilize releases to the point where
software vendors can make a buck and hardware vendors
will write drivers. No hardware drivers -> no installed base.
No installed base -> no hardware drivers. And those deep
pockets need to be refilled eventually. Ain't gonna happen
unless Bill just decides to do it...which kinda defeats the
purpose. You can bet he WILL do it if it ever threatens his position.
There are probably at least a dozen people at MS who could write
a personal check for the amount of money it would take MS to snatch
the Linux market from a would-be competitor.
Quick show of hands. How many struggling commercial hardware vendors with
100% of your sales going into Wintel systems are ready to piss off
Bill Gates by promoting LINUX drivers?
LINUX cannot go mainstream until
There's a business model that makes money for everybody
There are stable (evaluated) product releases
Every hardware device at CompUSA, comes
with LINUX drivers.
"Recompile the kernel" is removed from the lexicon.
There's someone to call when you have a problem.
By this time it is no longer free...or even cheap.
LINUX is likely to remain a geek's toy and be used on server farms
where you have a very controlled environment and a high
concentration of very expensive MS SW.
Granny ain't never gonna recompile the kernel.
mike
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Rocket
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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Not to mention that every time you get an oil change or rotate tires you'll
need to call them and re-authenticate your VIN before you can start it back
up.
--
Rocket
<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:3fccb8ba.1791996@news.charter.net...
| Quote: | "Microsoft wants its software in cars"!!!! Yeah, right. I can just see
my car
getting hacked, acquiring a virus that causes the motor to seize up or the
car
to crash. Or pulling into the gas station, filling the tank, then paying
additional money with my credit card so I can continue to drive.
Otherwise, my
subscription to drive would expire. Doubtless, Microsoft's agreements
with
automakers will be secret, so we won't know that Windows is running in our
cars.
The bastards really have balls! ... Ben Myers
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:43:55 -0500, "PC Gladiator"
PC-Gladiator@Mail-Dump.com
wrote:
For some strange reason, you came to mind when I saw this. Not that you
needed anymore reasons to hate Microsoft.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/999790.asp?0dm=C1APT
"mike" <spamme0@juno.com> wrote in message
news:3FCA2EA9.9010308@juno.com...
PC Gladiator wrote:
Better get going on that Linux system...
People throw that out like it's an actual possibility.
I started the LINUX switch process two
years ago. My first problem was that there are many
incompatible distributions. They use different setup/configuration
processes. I very quickly got to the point where
70% of my needs were met. By switching distributions, I
could get a different 70% of my needs met. Problem was that I
need 100% of my needs met on the same system.
An OS that doesn't support
my mouse or my webcam or my cd burner or puts snow on
my video screen or...just ain't gonna cut it. Over the
last two years, the fragmentation has gotten worse, not better.
Microsoft is successful in large part because of their
monopoly position. They have controlled distribution.
A software or hardware vendor has some reasonable
expectation that the third release of their product
will pretty much install and work on any windows XX
installation. You cannot have this when any high school
kid can compile new features into the kernel, or worse,
take features out of the kernel and distribute
it for free in an instant.
You can't make a buck on LINUX, so you have to differientiate
your product. This fragmentation is a fact of life and
is not fixable technically. It needs someone with
deep pockets to stabilize releases to the point where
software vendors can make a buck and hardware vendors
will write drivers. No hardware drivers -> no installed base.
No installed base -> no hardware drivers. And those deep
pockets need to be refilled eventually. Ain't gonna happen
unless Bill just decides to do it...which kinda defeats the
purpose. You can bet he WILL do it if it ever threatens his position.
There are probably at least a dozen people at MS who could write
a personal check for the amount of money it would take MS to snatch
the Linux market from a would-be competitor.
Quick show of hands. How many struggling commercial hardware vendors
with
100% of your sales going into Wintel systems are ready to piss off
Bill Gates by promoting LINUX drivers?
LINUX cannot go mainstream until
There's a business model that makes money for everybody
There are stable (evaluated) product releases
Every hardware device at CompUSA, comes
with LINUX drivers.
"Recompile the kernel" is removed from the lexicon.
There's someone to call when you have a problem.
By this time it is no longer free...or even cheap.
LINUX is likely to remain a geek's toy and be used on server farms
where you have a very controlled environment and a high
concentration of very expensive MS SW.
Granny ain't never gonna recompile the kernel.
mike
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PC Gladiator
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:25 am Post subject: Re: Upgrade to WinXP - is it possible? |
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According to this article, MS is already in some vehicles.
"The Microsoft platform already is in 23 different car models, including the
BMW 7 series, Citroen, Daimler, Fiat, Volvo, Hyundai, Mitsubishi, Subaru and
Toyota."
And they talk about...
"They'll pay freeway tolls automatically. The software running their brakes
will upgrade itself wirelessly."
Isn't this one of the signs of the end of the world? ;-)
<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:3fccb8ba.1791996@news.charter.net...
| Quote: | "Microsoft wants its software in cars"!!!! Yeah, right. I can just see
my car
getting hacked, acquiring a virus that causes the motor to seize up or the
car
to crash. Or pulling into the gas station, filling the tank, then paying
additional money with my credit card so I can continue to drive.
Otherwise, my
subscription to drive would expire. Doubtless, Microsoft's agreements
with
automakers will be secret, so we won't know that Windows is running in our
cars.
The bastards really have balls! ... Ben Myers
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:43:55 -0500, "PC Gladiator"
PC-Gladiator@Mail-Dump.com
wrote:
For some strange reason, you came to mind when I saw this. Not that you
needed anymore reasons to hate Microsoft.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/999790.asp?0dm=C1APT
"mike" <spamme0@juno.com> wrote in message
news:3FCA2EA9.9010308@juno.com...
PC Gladiator wrote:
Better get going on that Linux system...
People throw that out like it's an actual possibility.
I started the LINUX switch process two
years ago. My first problem was that there are many
incompatible distributions. They use different setup/configuration
processes. I very quickly got to the point where
70% of my needs were met. By switching distributions, I
could get a different 70% of my needs met. Problem was that I
need 100% of my needs met on the same system.
An OS that doesn't support
my mouse or my webcam or my cd burner or puts snow on
my video screen or...just ain't gonna cut it. Over the
last two years, the fragmentation has gotten worse, not better.
Microsoft is successful in large part because of their
monopoly position. They have controlled distribution.
A software or hardware vendor has some reasonable
expectation that the third release of their product
will pretty much install and work on any windows XX
installation. You cannot have this when any high school
kid can compile new features into the kernel, or worse,
take features out of the kernel and distribute
it for free in an instant.
You can't make a buck on LINUX, so you have to differientiate
your product. This fragmentation is a fact of life and
is not fixable technically. It needs someone with
deep pockets to stabilize releases to the point where
software vendors can make a buck and hardware vendors
will write drivers. No hardware drivers -> no installed base.
No installed base -> no hardware drivers. And those deep
pockets need to be refilled eventually. Ain't gonna happen
unless Bill just decides to do it...which kinda defeats the
purpose. You can bet he WILL do it if it ever threatens his position.
There are probably at least a dozen people at MS who could write
a personal check for the amount of money it would take MS to snatch
the Linux market from a would-be competitor.
Quick show of hands. How many struggling commercial hardware vendors
with
100% of your sales going into Wintel systems are ready to piss off
Bill Gates by promoting LINUX drivers?
LINUX cannot go mainstream until
There's a business model that makes money for everybody
There are stable (evaluated) product releases
Every hardware device at CompUSA, comes
with LINUX drivers.
"Recompile the kernel" is removed from the lexicon.
There's someone to call when you have a problem.
By this time it is no longer free...or even cheap.
LINUX is likely to remain a geek's toy and be used on server farms
where you have a very controlled environment and a high
concentration of very expensive MS SW.
Granny ain't never gonna recompile the kernel.
mike
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