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kychick
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 Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 8:00 pm Post subject: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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I have a Gateway PII - 400 (400mhz, 100mhz external bus), I am currently
running 256 mb RAM (two 64mb chips and one 128mb chip). I would like to go
to three 128mb chips for a total of 384mb Ram.
Crucial offers two types of chips for my machine, (128mb SDRAM, PC100 and
128mb SDRAM, PC133). Which is best and will work with my system?
I am also going to replace the Hard Drive with an 80gig 7200 rpm Western
Digital Hard Drive.
I would like to install a CD burner.
My current operating system is Win. 98SE. I have had no real problems with
Win 98, but would like to go to Windows XP when I install the new hard
drive. Will I have any problems running Win XP?
We use the computer for surfing the net, e-mail, working in Office (I would
like to move up to MS office XP), and playing around with Adobe Photoshop 7.
Are these changes going to allow the machine to run smoothly. |
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T.R.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:00:27 GMT, "kychick" <kychick@insightbb.com>
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| Quote: | I would like to go to three 128mb chips for a total of 384mb Ram.
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My understanding is that it is suggested to have a minimum of 512mb
for xp.
| Quote: | Crucial offers two types of chips for my machine, (128mb SDRAM, PC100 and
128mb SDRAM, PC133). Which is best and will work with my system?
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The PC133 will only run at 100 since that is the speed of your FSB.
However, it will not hurt using the PC133 if you can buy it cheaper
than the 100. I got 133 cheaper than the 100 from crucial when adding
sticks to an older 100FSB machine a while back and it worked fine.
| Quote: | Will I have any problems running Win XP?
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Goto:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/advisor.asp
and hit the link at the bottom that says:
"Download the Upgrade Advisor"
That utility will do a thorough scan of your system and let you know
what hardware/software will need upgrading in order to meet the
minimal XP requirements.
My personal opinion would be that a P-II is not enough system to
handle XP. I mean there are P-IV systems out there going for
$500-$600 already setup with XP AND coming with the Restoration/OS CDs
plus the CDRW you want. I think you are going to end up spending
close to that much in the long run just to get your P-II up to a point
where it "Might" be able to handle XP in a minimal sort of way. Plus,
XP utilizes hardware attributes that your P-II does not have... a
waste of XP operating system capabilities on a P-II.
If bucks are short, get yourself into an "entry" level P-IV system
already setup with XP and then start building from there as funds
become available. I think you will be a lot more happy that way
instead of dumping money into and trying to get old technology working
with a modern OS.
Regards,
Thomas
It takes .00002% of a human's full brain capacity
to understand the concept and technical process
behind the operation of a turn signal.
Observations show that most humans don't have
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kychick
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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The cost of the improvements I am talking about making are about as follows,
(RAM-$90.00, Hard Drive-$50.00, and CD Burner-$30.00 this is after rebates).
The operating system and office xp will cost nothing a perk of my wifes
employement. As I said, I am just looking for a machine to run office and
Photoshop 7 with out problems ."T.R."
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| Quote: | On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:00:27 GMT, "kychick" <kychick@insightbb.com
wrote:
I would like to go to three 128mb chips for a total of 384mb Ram.
My understanding is that it is suggested to have a minimum of 512mb
for xp.
Crucial offers two types of chips for my machine, (128mb SDRAM, PC100 and
128mb SDRAM, PC133). Which is best and will work with my system?
The PC133 will only run at 100 since that is the speed of your FSB.
However, it will not hurt using the PC133 if you can buy it cheaper
than the 100. I got 133 cheaper than the 100 from crucial when adding
sticks to an older 100FSB machine a while back and it worked fine.
Will I have any problems running Win XP?
Goto:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/advisor.asp
and hit the link at the bottom that says:
"Download the Upgrade Advisor"
That utility will do a thorough scan of your system and let you know
what hardware/software will need upgrading in order to meet the
minimal XP requirements.
My personal opinion would be that a P-II is not enough system to
handle XP. I mean there are P-IV systems out there going for
$500-$600 already setup with XP AND coming with the Restoration/OS CDs
plus the CDRW you want. I think you are going to end up spending
close to that much in the long run just to get your P-II up to a point
where it "Might" be able to handle XP in a minimal sort of way. Plus,
XP utilizes hardware attributes that your P-II does not have... a
waste of XP operating system capabilities on a P-II.
If bucks are short, get yourself into an "entry" level P-IV system
already setup with XP and then start building from there as funds
become available. I think you will be a lot more happy that way
instead of dumping money into and trying to get old technology working
with a modern OS.
Regards,
Thomas
It takes .00002% of a human's full brain capacity
to understand the concept and technical process
behind the operation of a turn signal.
Observations show that most humans don't have
the .00002% capacity required.... |
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Hurricane Andrew
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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Either RAM will work, the PC133 will just run at the lower clock speed. Get
whichever is cheaper. I doubt you'll run into any problems, but adding up
the cost it doesn't sound like the best idea. At $99 for the XP upgrade,
roughly $239 for the Office upgrade, $100 for a hard drive, $25 for a CD-RW,
you're at $463 already, plus the memory. I think your best move would be to
purchase a new system with WinXP and OfficeXP preinstalled. You should be
able to get a decent system with those options for about the same as you'd
pay for the OS and Office upgrades, plus the hardware upgrades you're
considering.
FYI, I have a similar system. I had an original G6-350 (PII-350, WS440bx
motherboard). A few years ago, I upgraded to a PIII-550. About a year and
a half ago, I upgraded to WinXP and OfficeXP. I have 384MB of RAM, two hard
drives, a 40 gig and a 20 gig. Also added a Lite-On CD-RW, and upgraded to
a low end Raedon 7000 some time ago. I dual boot WinXP Pro and WinXP Home
(don't ask). System works fine, no problems. I just think you'd get much
more bang for virtually the same $$$ if you go new.
--
Andrew
Freedom and fear are at war. The advance of human freedom -- the great
achievement of our time, and the great hope of every time -- now depends on
us... We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail.
--President George W. Bush, September 20, 2001
History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of
aggression is cheap.
--Ronald Reagan, Address to the nation, January 16, 1984 |
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Edward J. Neth
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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"kychick" <kychick@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:_n7qb.84483$ao4.256113@attbi_s51...
| Quote: | I have a Gateway PII - 400 (400mhz, 100mhz external bus), I am currently
running 256 mb RAM (two 64mb chips and one 128mb chip). I would like to go
to three 128mb chips for a total of 384mb Ram.
Crucial offers two types of chips for my machine, (128mb SDRAM, PC100 and
128mb SDRAM, PC133). Which is best and will work with my system?
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Either will work fine, as long as it's spec'd for your machine (i.e., low
density).
You can use up to three, 256 MByte DIMMs (buy RAM for a Dell OptiPlex GX1
and it'll work fine).
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I am also going to replace the Hard Drive with an 80gig 7200 rpm Western
Digital Hard Drive.
I would like to install a CD burner.
My current operating system is Win. 98SE. I have had no real problems with
Win 98, but would like to go to Windows XP when I install the new hard
drive. Will I have any problems running Win XP?
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You'll want 512 MBytes of RAM to compensate for the slow processor.
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We use the computer for surfing the net, e-mail, working in Office (I
would
like to move up to MS office XP), and playing around with Adobe Photoshop
7.
Are these changes going to allow the machine to run smoothly.
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Photoshop under XP on a 400 MHz system is not going to be a high-performance
deal.
You'd really be better off replacing the system with a mid-range Athlon or
P4 system (2500 MHz or so) -- your system is not ideal for your intended
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PC Gladiator
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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If you're committed to upgrading this system versus buying a low end new
system then I'd max out the memory on the system to try and eliminate
paging. Your CPU will be the performance bottleneck in this system with XP.
Not sure what this system could take for a faster CPU but you might get a
deal on ebay.
Try and keep nothing but XP on the system disk. Keep two disks on the
system and create most of the paging space on the non-system drive. What do
you have for a disk now? (maker, size, speed, age) Also, make sure that
new 80GB disk has a 8MB buffer.
If you're just "playing around" with photo editing then it'll probably be
OK. Just don't use faster system and see what you're missing... ;-)
With Christmas coming up, there are likely to be some good deals around,
especially the day after Thanksgiving.
Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
"kychick" <kychick@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I have a Gateway PII - 400 (400mhz, 100mhz external bus), I am currently
running 256 mb RAM (two 64mb chips and one 128mb chip). I would like to go
to three 128mb chips for a total of 384mb Ram.
Crucial offers two types of chips for my machine, (128mb SDRAM, PC100 and
128mb SDRAM, PC133). Which is best and will work with my system?
I am also going to replace the Hard Drive with an 80gig 7200 rpm Western
Digital Hard Drive.
I would like to install a CD burner.
My current operating system is Win. 98SE. I have had no real problems with
Win 98, but would like to go to Windows XP when I install the new hard
drive. Will I have any problems running Win XP?
We use the computer for surfing the net, e-mail, working in Office (I
would
like to move up to MS office XP), and playing around with Adobe Photoshop
7.
Are these changes going to allow the machine to run smoothly.
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PC Gladiator
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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Here's a nice little list of things to consider as well.
http://www.windowsreinstall.com/install/preinstall.htm
"kychick" <kychick@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I have a Gateway PII - 400 (400mhz, 100mhz external bus), I am currently
running 256 mb RAM (two 64mb chips and one 128mb chip). I would like to go
to three 128mb chips for a total of 384mb Ram.
Crucial offers two types of chips for my machine, (128mb SDRAM, PC100 and
128mb SDRAM, PC133). Which is best and will work with my system?
I am also going to replace the Hard Drive with an 80gig 7200 rpm Western
Digital Hard Drive.
I would like to install a CD burner.
My current operating system is Win. 98SE. I have had no real problems with
Win 98, but would like to go to Windows XP when I install the new hard
drive. Will I have any problems running Win XP?
We use the computer for surfing the net, e-mail, working in Office (I
would
like to move up to MS office XP), and playing around with Adobe Photoshop
7.
Are these changes going to allow the machine to run smoothly.
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Ben Myers
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:57 am Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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Some of the early Intel-made motherboards with 440BX chipset are VERY picky
about memory, and they refuse to run or even recognize PC133 memory. You might
be better off with PC100, still available, but maybe a little more expensive.
Dell and other manufacturers routinely deliver new Windows XPee computers with
128MB !!! The machines run, but they certainly flog the hard drive to death.
To me, 256MB is the rock bottom dead minimum memory for XP, more if you can
afford it.
Make sure you get a CD burner WITH software compatible with Windows XPee. The
CD-burning software built into XPee is very basic and elementary... Ben Myers
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:00:27 GMT, "kychick" <kychick@insightbb.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I have a Gateway PII - 400 (400mhz, 100mhz external bus), I am currently
running 256 mb RAM (two 64mb chips and one 128mb chip). I would like to go
to three 128mb chips for a total of 384mb Ram.
Crucial offers two types of chips for my machine, (128mb SDRAM, PC100 and
128mb SDRAM, PC133). Which is best and will work with my system?
I am also going to replace the Hard Drive with an 80gig 7200 rpm Western
Digital Hard Drive.
I would like to install a CD burner.
My current operating system is Win. 98SE. I have had no real problems with
Win 98, but would like to go to Windows XP when I install the new hard
drive. Will I have any problems running Win XP?
We use the computer for surfing the net, e-mail, working in Office (I would
like to move up to MS office XP), and playing around with Adobe Photoshop 7.
Are these changes going to allow the machine to run smoothly.
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PC Gladiator
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:35 am Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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Microsoft also has some words of wisdom...
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q316639
"PC Gladiator" <PC-Gladiator@Mail-Dump.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Here's a nice little list of things to consider as well.
http://www.windowsreinstall.com/install/preinstall.htm
"kychick" <kychick@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:_n7qb.84483$ao4.256113@attbi_s51...
I have a Gateway PII - 400 (400mhz, 100mhz external bus), I am currently
running 256 mb RAM (two 64mb chips and one 128mb chip). I would like to
go
to three 128mb chips for a total of 384mb Ram.
Crucial offers two types of chips for my machine, (128mb SDRAM, PC100
and
128mb SDRAM, PC133). Which is best and will work with my system?
I am also going to replace the Hard Drive with an 80gig 7200 rpm Western
Digital Hard Drive.
I would like to install a CD burner.
My current operating system is Win. 98SE. I have had no real problems
with
Win 98, but would like to go to Windows XP when I install the new hard
drive. Will I have any problems running Win XP?
We use the computer for surfing the net, e-mail, working in Office (I
would
like to move up to MS office XP), and playing around with Adobe
Photoshop
7.
Are these changes going to allow the machine to run smoothly.
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kychick
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 3:05 am Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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Mr Neth,
I talked with the online expert at Crucial and was told three 128 mb chips
for a total of 384mb was all I could use.The RAM she suggested was crucial
128mb SDRAM, PC100 (#ct149009).
If I use RAM for a Dell or OptiPlex GX1 what type of RAM do I order?
"Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"kychick" <kychick@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:_n7qb.84483$ao4.256113@attbi_s51...
I have a Gateway PII - 400 (400mhz, 100mhz external bus), I am currently
running 256 mb RAM (two 64mb chips and one 128mb chip). I would like to
go
to three 128mb chips for a total of 384mb Ram.
Crucial offers two types of chips for my machine, (128mb SDRAM, PC100
and
128mb SDRAM, PC133). Which is best and will work with my system?
Either will work fine, as long as it's spec'd for your machine (i.e., low
density).
You can use up to three, 256 MByte DIMMs (buy RAM for a Dell OptiPlex GX1
and it'll work fine).
I am also going to replace the Hard Drive with an 80gig 7200 rpm Western
Digital Hard Drive.
I would like to install a CD burner.
My current operating system is Win. 98SE. I have had no real problems
with
Win 98, but would like to go to Windows XP when I install the new hard
drive. Will I have any problems running Win XP?
You'll want 512 MBytes of RAM to compensate for the slow processor.
We use the computer for surfing the net, e-mail, working in Office (I
would
like to move up to MS office XP), and playing around with Adobe
Photoshop
7.
Are these changes going to allow the machine to run smoothly.
Photoshop under XP on a 400 MHz system is not going to be a
high-performance
deal.
You'd really be better off replacing the system with a mid-range Athlon or
P4 system (2500 MHz or so) -- your system is not ideal for your intended
use.
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Edward J. Neth
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:22 am Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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Any RAM for a Dell OptiPlex GX1 will also work in any Gateway PII or PIII
440BX system.
The max is three, 256 MByte modules.
"kychick" <kychick@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Mr Neth,
I talked with the online expert at Crucial and was told three 128 mb chips
for a total of 384mb was all I could use.The RAM she suggested was crucial
128mb SDRAM, PC100 (#ct149009).
If I use RAM for a Dell or OptiPlex GX1 what type of RAM do I order?
"Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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kychick
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:28 am Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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I just talked with Gateway Tech Support Chat and was told that I could only
upgrade the processor to a intel celeron 550 and I would not be able to
upgrade to a pentium processor, is this right?
"Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:eDfqb.17797$n94.5070@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
| Quote: | Any RAM for a Dell OptiPlex GX1 will also work in any Gateway PII or PIII
440BX system.
The max is three, 256 MByte modules.
"kychick" <kychick@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:MCdqb.85864$9E1.430699@attbi_s52...
Mr Neth,
I talked with the online expert at Crucial and was told three 128 mb
chips
for a total of 384mb was all I could use.The RAM she suggested was
crucial
128mb SDRAM, PC100 (#ct149009).
If I use RAM for a Dell or OptiPlex GX1 what type of RAM do I order?
"Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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William McBride
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:31 am Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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I put a Powerleap 1.4GHz celeron into my Gateway G6-400 and have been very
happy with it. I have 384MB of RAM and run Win XP and am very happy with the
performance. The Powerleap upgrade is about $150 (www.powerleap.com).
Bill
"kychick" <kychick@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I just talked with Gateway Tech Support Chat and was told that I could
only
upgrade the processor to a intel celeron 550 and I would not be able to
upgrade to a pentium processor, is this right?
"Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:eDfqb.17797$n94.5070@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
Any RAM for a Dell OptiPlex GX1 will also work in any Gateway PII or
PIII
440BX system.
The max is three, 256 MByte modules.
"kychick" <kychick@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:MCdqb.85864$9E1.430699@attbi_s52...
Mr Neth,
I talked with the online expert at Crucial and was told three 128 mb
chips
for a total of 384mb was all I could use.The RAM she suggested was
crucial
128mb SDRAM, PC100 (#ct149009).
If I use RAM for a Dell or OptiPlex GX1 what type of RAM do I order?
"Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Edward J. Neth
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:46 am Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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With no other components, you can upgrade to a Slot 1 PIII, 600 MHz, 512K
cache.
PowerLeap has an option to upgrade to a 1.4 GHz Celeron CPU using their
adapter slotket.
However, remember that you've got a machine that is four or five years old -
you may face component failures,
depending on the amount of use the system has seen - basically, you're
looking at transplanting a new engine
into a car with an old chassis.
If you want to run Photoshop, etc., I'd go for a new system - by the time
you buy a CPU upgrade for $150, more RAM for another $100 or more, and
perhaps upgrade the video card and hard drive, you're going to be over 50%
of the cost of a new system, which will run rings around any upgrades you
can do to the current one.
"kychick" <kychick@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I just talked with Gateway Tech Support Chat and was told that I could
only
upgrade the processor to a intel celeron 550 and I would not be able to
upgrade to a pentium processor, is this right? |
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lyon_wonder
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 3:35 am Post subject: Re: uping ram and moving to windows xp |
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| Quote: | My understanding is that it is suggested to have a minimum of 512mb
for xp.
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With all of XP's GUI bloat fluff and fancy eye candy enabled, of
course. Which is why I'm still using Windows 2000 with latest SPs and
don't plan to upgrade the OS for a while yet. |
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