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Graham W
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 Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject: 8RDA+ V2.2 Problem getting settings sorted! |
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I've just changed out my motherboard for a so-called
'refurbished' m/b which looks like it is brand new and
could be some companies old stock. It was bought on eBay.
It is a Ver 2.2 and replaces a Ver1.1 board which was going
flaky. On removal I spotted 16 (sixteen!) leaky electrolytics so
no wonder it was feeling poorly!
The new board doesn't seem to want to tell me what it thinks
the CPU is apart from a K7, but it has what I believe is the last
BIOS for that board being shown as: 07/24/2004 nForce
6A61BPAAC -00
Consequently, I am unsure what settings I should be using on the
same Mobile XP-M2500+ CPU in the BIOS. The RAM is TwinMOS
PC3200 - 2 * 256MB.
Is anyone running that CPU and M/B Ver2.2 who can advise their
settings for me as it defaults to a very slow 1GHz system.
Thanks
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DaveL
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: 8RDA+ V2.2 Problem getting settings sorted! |
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I believe the version 2.2 of the 8RDA+ has the ability to run at the magic
200 hz fsb. But you may want to start out at an easier fsb like 166.
Remember that the Nforce2 chipset likes to run the fsb and memory in sync.
Set the "System Performance" to Expert. This allows you to change all
parameters. I believe your cpu is unlocked. which would help with
overclocking. But set CPU Clock Ratio to default for now. Set the fsb
frequency to 166. Set the memory frequency to Sync or 100%. Test the
system. Gradually increase the fsb frequency and test. If you go too far
it may not boot or lockup in windows. If you can't boot, power on while
holding down the insert key and it will boot up at safe(slow) settings to
allow you to go back into cmos.
I believe default settings for that cpu is 12.5 x 166 which gives you
2075mhz.
DaveL
"Graham W" <graham@his.com.puter.INVALID> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I've just changed out my motherboard for a so-called
'refurbished' m/b which looks like it is brand new and
could be some companies old stock. It was bought on eBay.
It is a Ver 2.2 and replaces a Ver1.1 board which was going
flaky. On removal I spotted 16 (sixteen!) leaky electrolytics so
no wonder it was feeling poorly!
The new board doesn't seem to want to tell me what it thinks
the CPU is apart from a K7, but it has what I believe is the last
BIOS for that board being shown as: 07/24/2004 nForce
6A61BPAAC -00
Consequently, I am unsure what settings I should be using on the
same Mobile XP-M2500+ CPU in the BIOS. The RAM is TwinMOS
PC3200 - 2 * 256MB.
Is anyone running that CPU and M/B Ver2.2 who can advise their
settings for me as it defaults to a very slow 1GHz system.
Thanks
--
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WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/ Wessex
Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates, Sites & Maps
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Graham W
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:32 am Post subject: Re: 8RDA+ V2.2 Problem getting settings sorted! |
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Thanks Dave,
Can you verify that the BIOS string I quoted is the latest for the
board please? When I flashed the Ver1.1 m/b BIOS, it was able
to tell me it had an XP-M2500+ in the CPU socket whereas this one
just says K7 and runs it at 6 * 166MHz = 1000MHz currently.
You are right that it is unlocked and has run upto 3200+ speeds
in the old board but that one knew what the CPU was!
It does show that there is 200MHz support on the boot screen.
I tried the Expert setting with cautious values but I'm not sure I'll
get anywhere until it id's the CPU correctly. It often doesn't start
when I restart (about 1 in 6 times) and there's a lot to correct after
the <Ins> key has had its way with the settings. At the moment
I'd settle for stock settings for my CPU!
It sometimes get a "Windows protection error - please restart"
during bootup.
Once in Windows 98SE it seems reliable.
I wonder if it is worth trying to use 'Magic BIOS' from Windows to
get a new flash?
Thanks
--
Graham W http://www.gcw.org.uk/ PGM-FI page updated, Graphics Tutorial
WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/ Wessex
Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates, Sites & Maps
Change 'news' to 'sewn' in my Reply address to avoid my spam filter.
DaveL wrote:
| Quote: | I believe the version 2.2 of the 8RDA+ has the ability to run at the
magic 200 hz fsb. But you may want to start out at an easier fsb
like 166. Remember that the Nforce2 chipset likes to run the fsb and
memory in sync.
Set the "System Performance" to Expert. This allows you to change all
parameters. I believe your cpu is unlocked. which would help with
overclocking. But set CPU Clock Ratio to default for now. Set the
fsb frequency to 166. Set the memory frequency to Sync or 100%.
Test the system. Gradually increase the fsb frequency and test. If
you go too far it may not boot or lockup in windows. If you can't
boot, power on while holding down the insert key and it will boot up
at safe(slow) settings to allow you to go back into cmos.
I believe default settings for that cpu is 12.5 x 166 which gives you
2075mhz.
DaveL
"Graham W" <graham@his.com.puter.INVALID> wrote in message
news:438ddc80$0$82649$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...
I've just changed out my motherboard for a so-called
'refurbished' m/b which looks like it is brand new and
could be some companies old stock. It was bought on eBay.
It is a Ver 2.2 and replaces a Ver1.1 board which was going
flaky. On removal I spotted 16 (sixteen!) leaky electrolytics so
no wonder it was feeling poorly!
The new board doesn't seem to want to tell me what it thinks
the CPU is apart from a K7, but it has what I believe is the last
BIOS for that board being shown as: 07/24/2004 nForce
6A61BPAAC -00
Consequently, I am unsure what settings I should be using on the
same Mobile XP-M2500+ CPU in the BIOS. The RAM is TwinMOS
PC3200 - 2 * 256MB.
Is anyone running that CPU and M/B Ver2.2 who can advise their
settings for me as it defaults to a very slow 1GHz system.
Thanks
--
Graham W http://www.gcw.org.uk/ PGM-FI page updated, Graphics
Tutorial WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/
Wessex Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates,
Sites & Maps Change 'news' to 'sewn' in my Reply address to avoid my
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DaveL
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:32 am Post subject: Re: 8RDA+ V2.2 Problem getting settings sorted! |
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Yes the latest bios is 7/29/2004. Dude, set it to 12.5 x 166 and it will
more accurately report. But even if it doesn't it still will work properly.
I have an old Abit BH6 that I have tricked into running a 1.4 ghz Tualatin
Celeron. That board was never supposed to support anything close to the 1.4
Cel. It shows as a PentiumIII @ 1396 mhz. It does not know what cpu is in
it but it still runs it just fine.
DaveL
"Graham W" <graham@his.com.puter.INVALID> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Thanks Dave,
Can you verify that the BIOS string I quoted is the latest for the
board please? When I flashed the Ver1.1 m/b BIOS, it was able
to tell me it had an XP-M2500+ in the CPU socket whereas this one
just says K7 and runs it at 6 * 166MHz = 1000MHz currently.
You are right that it is unlocked and has run upto 3200+ speeds
in the old board but that one knew what the CPU was!
It does show that there is 200MHz support on the boot screen.
I tried the Expert setting with cautious values but I'm not sure I'll
get anywhere until it id's the CPU correctly. It often doesn't start
when I restart (about 1 in 6 times) and there's a lot to correct after
the <Ins> key has had its way with the settings. At the moment
I'd settle for stock settings for my CPU!
It sometimes get a "Windows protection error - please restart"
during bootup.
Once in Windows 98SE it seems reliable.
I wonder if it is worth trying to use 'Magic BIOS' from Windows to
get a new flash?
Thanks
--
Graham W http://www.gcw.org.uk/ PGM-FI page updated, Graphics Tutorial
WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/ Wessex
Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates, Sites & Maps
Change 'news' to 'sewn' in my Reply address to avoid my spam filter.
DaveL wrote:
I believe the version 2.2 of the 8RDA+ has the ability to run at the
magic 200 hz fsb. But you may want to start out at an easier fsb
like 166. Remember that the Nforce2 chipset likes to run the fsb and
memory in sync.
Set the "System Performance" to Expert. This allows you to change all
parameters. I believe your cpu is unlocked. which would help with
overclocking. But set CPU Clock Ratio to default for now. Set the
fsb frequency to 166. Set the memory frequency to Sync or 100%.
Test the system. Gradually increase the fsb frequency and test. If
you go too far it may not boot or lockup in windows. If you can't
boot, power on while holding down the insert key and it will boot up
at safe(slow) settings to allow you to go back into cmos.
I believe default settings for that cpu is 12.5 x 166 which gives you
2075mhz.
DaveL
"Graham W" <graham@his.com.puter.INVALID> wrote in message
news:438ddc80$0$82649$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...
I've just changed out my motherboard for a so-called
'refurbished' m/b which looks like it is brand new and
could be some companies old stock. It was bought on eBay.
It is a Ver 2.2 and replaces a Ver1.1 board which was going
flaky. On removal I spotted 16 (sixteen!) leaky electrolytics so
no wonder it was feeling poorly!
The new board doesn't seem to want to tell me what it thinks
the CPU is apart from a K7, but it has what I believe is the last
BIOS for that board being shown as: 07/24/2004 nForce
6A61BPAAC -00
Consequently, I am unsure what settings I should be using on the
same Mobile XP-M2500+ CPU in the BIOS. The RAM is TwinMOS
PC3200 - 2 * 256MB.
Is anyone running that CPU and M/B Ver2.2 who can advise their
settings for me as it defaults to a very slow 1GHz system.
Thanks
--
Graham W http://www.gcw.org.uk/ PGM-FI page updated, Graphics
Tutorial WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/
Wessex Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates,
Sites & Maps Change 'news' to 'sewn' in my Reply address to avoid my
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Graham W
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: 8RDA+ V2.2 Problem getting settings sorted! |
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Right. Have set up the BIOS to Expert for both CPU and memory
settings and have used 'Optimal' for CPU Interface. Have set the
Memory Frequency to '100%' and added 1 to T(ras) so that the
timings read 8-3-3-2.5. I used 12x for the multiplier and 166MHz
for FSB. I upped the VCore for the CPU by 50 mV to 1.650V.
It now starts up and runs Windows98SE but the CPU is a few ºC
warmer than I'd like at 50ºC (not doing much) but I'm OK with that.
The processor still IDs as K7 and the speed as 2002MHz.
Is this a conflict between the Ver1.1 chipset drivers and the Ver2.2?
I'm sure previous 8RDA+ systems I've built are showing 'Athlon
XPnnnn+' CPU info on the boot screen.
How can I unhitch the earlier chipset drivers and install the 2.2 ones?
Is it only a case of removing the system devices in Device Mangler
and letting the Windows re-detect them and offering the V2.2 CD
as the source. [ BTW this board came as board only so no I/O shield
nor manual nor CD nor cable sets but I had the CD my other v2.2 build
and the rest from the original v1.1 build.
Can anyone tell me their CD part number for a V2.2? Under the word
MOTHERBOARD at the bottom of the artwork is printed
'6070010N01F05' and a date '2003.01.28' so that I can verify I have
the right disc.
I have had a couple of freezes while in the BIOS - particularly on the
PC Health screen - present solution is don't go there!
Cheers
--
Graham W http://www.gcw.org.uk/ PGM-FI page updated, Graphics Tutorial
WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/ Wessex
Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates, Sites & Maps
Change 'news' to 'sewn' in my Reply address to avoid my spam filter.
DaveL wrote:
| Quote: | Yes the latest bios is 7/29/2004. Dude, set it to 12.5 x 166 and it
will more accurately report. But even if it doesn't it still will
work properly. I have an old Abit BH6 that I have tricked into
running a 1.4 ghz Tualatin Celeron. That board was never supposed to
support anything close to the 1.4 Cel. It shows as a PentiumIII @
1396 mhz. It does not know what cpu is in it but it still runs it
just fine.
DaveL
"Graham W" <graham@his.com.puter.INVALID> wrote in message
news:438e49b2$0$18526$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
Thanks Dave,
Can you verify that the BIOS string I quoted is the latest for the
board please? When I flashed the Ver1.1 m/b BIOS, it was able
to tell me it had an XP-M2500+ in the CPU socket whereas this one
just says K7 and runs it at 6 * 166MHz = 1000MHz currently.
You are right that it is unlocked and has run upto 3200+ speeds
in the old board but that one knew what the CPU was!
It does show that there is 200MHz support on the boot screen.
I tried the Expert setting with cautious values but I'm not sure I'll
get anywhere until it id's the CPU correctly. It often doesn't start
when I restart (about 1 in 6 times) and there's a lot to correct
after the <Ins> key has had its way with the settings. At the moment
I'd settle for stock settings for my CPU!
It sometimes get a "Windows protection error - please restart"
during bootup.
Once in Windows 98SE it seems reliable.
I wonder if it is worth trying to use 'Magic BIOS' from Windows to
get a new flash?
Thanks
DaveL wrote:
I believe the version 2.2 of the 8RDA+ has the ability to run at the
magic 200 hz fsb. But you may want to start out at an easier fsb
like 166. Remember that the Nforce2 chipset likes to run the fsb and
memory in sync.
Set the "System Performance" to Expert. This allows you to change
all parameters. I believe your cpu is unlocked. which would help
with overclocking. But set CPU Clock Ratio to default for now.
Set the fsb frequency to 166. Set the memory frequency to Sync or
100%.
Test the system. Gradually increase the fsb frequency and test. If
you go too far it may not boot or lockup in windows. If you can't
boot, power on while holding down the insert key and it will boot up
at safe(slow) settings to allow you to go back into cmos.
I believe default settings for that cpu is 12.5 x 166 which gives
you 2075mhz.
DaveL
"Graham W" <graham@his.com.puter.INVALID> wrote in message
news:438ddc80$0$82649$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...
I've just changed out my motherboard for a so-called
'refurbished' m/b which looks like it is brand new and
could be some companies old stock. It was bought on eBay.
It is a Ver 2.2 and replaces a Ver1.1 board which was going
flaky. On removal I spotted 16 (sixteen!) leaky electrolytics so
no wonder it was feeling poorly!
The new board doesn't seem to want to tell me what it thinks
the CPU is apart from a K7, but it has what I believe is the last
BIOS for that board being shown as: 07/24/2004 nForce
6A61BPAAC -00
Consequently, I am unsure what settings I should be using on the
same Mobile XP-M2500+ CPU in the BIOS. The RAM is TwinMOS
PC3200 - 2 * 256MB.
Is anyone running that CPU and M/B Ver2.2 who can advise their
settings for me as it defaults to a very slow 1GHz system.
Thanks
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DaveL
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:40 am Post subject: Re: 8RDA+ V2.2 Problem getting settings sorted! |
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You should try 12.5 for the multiplier, just to see if it reports any
better. After that I recommend you start upping the fsb cause right now
your memory is underclocked. You should not have to reinstall any drivers.
The hardware is nearly identical. IWhy use outdated drivers off the cd any
way. You can download newer drivers off the Epox website or straight from
Nvidia. Yes 50c is kinda high especially for a mobile proc. Why did you
up the vcore? No need to at this point. It will only make the proc hotter.
DaveL
"Graham W" <graham@his.com.puter.INVALID> wrote in message
news:438f5a4f$0$18527$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
| Quote: | Right. Have set up the BIOS to Expert for both CPU and memory
settings and have used 'Optimal' for CPU Interface. Have set the
Memory Frequency to '100%' and added 1 to T(ras) so that the
timings read 8-3-3-2.5. I used 12x for the multiplier and 166MHz
for FSB. I upped the VCore for the CPU by 50 mV to 1.650V.
It now starts up and runs Windows98SE but the CPU is a few ºC
warmer than I'd like at 50ºC (not doing much) but I'm OK with that.
The processor still IDs as K7 and the speed as 2002MHz.
Is this a conflict between the Ver1.1 chipset drivers and the Ver2.2?
I'm sure previous 8RDA+ systems I've built are showing 'Athlon
XPnnnn+' CPU info on the boot screen.
How can I unhitch the earlier chipset drivers and install the 2.2 ones?
Is it only a case of removing the system devices in Device Mangler
and letting the Windows re-detect them and offering the V2.2 CD
as the source. [ BTW this board came as board only so no I/O shield
nor manual nor CD nor cable sets but I had the CD my other v2.2 build
and the rest from the original v1.1 build.
Can anyone tell me their CD part number for a V2.2? Under the word
MOTHERBOARD at the bottom of the artwork is printed
'6070010N01F05' and a date '2003.01.28' so that I can verify I have
the right disc.
I have had a couple of freezes while in the BIOS - particularly on the
PC Health screen - present solution is don't go there!
Cheers
--
Graham W http://www.gcw.org.uk/ PGM-FI page updated, Graphics Tutorial
WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/ Wessex
Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates, Sites & Maps
Change 'news' to 'sewn' in my Reply address to avoid my spam filter.
DaveL wrote:
Yes the latest bios is 7/29/2004. Dude, set it to 12.5 x 166 and it
will more accurately report. But even if it doesn't it still will
work properly. I have an old Abit BH6 that I have tricked into
running a 1.4 ghz Tualatin Celeron. That board was never supposed to
support anything close to the 1.4 Cel. It shows as a PentiumIII @
1396 mhz. It does not know what cpu is in it but it still runs it
just fine.
DaveL
"Graham W" <graham@his.com.puter.INVALID> wrote in message
news:438e49b2$0$18526$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
Thanks Dave,
Can you verify that the BIOS string I quoted is the latest for the
board please? When I flashed the Ver1.1 m/b BIOS, it was able
to tell me it had an XP-M2500+ in the CPU socket whereas this one
just says K7 and runs it at 6 * 166MHz = 1000MHz currently.
You are right that it is unlocked and has run upto 3200+ speeds
in the old board but that one knew what the CPU was!
It does show that there is 200MHz support on the boot screen.
I tried the Expert setting with cautious values but I'm not sure I'll
get anywhere until it id's the CPU correctly. It often doesn't start
when I restart (about 1 in 6 times) and there's a lot to correct
after the <Ins> key has had its way with the settings. At the moment
I'd settle for stock settings for my CPU!
It sometimes get a "Windows protection error - please restart"
during bootup.
Once in Windows 98SE it seems reliable.
I wonder if it is worth trying to use 'Magic BIOS' from Windows to
get a new flash?
Thanks
DaveL wrote:
I believe the version 2.2 of the 8RDA+ has the ability to run at the
magic 200 hz fsb. But you may want to start out at an easier fsb
like 166. Remember that the Nforce2 chipset likes to run the fsb and
memory in sync.
Set the "System Performance" to Expert. This allows you to change
all parameters. I believe your cpu is unlocked. which would help
with overclocking. But set CPU Clock Ratio to default for now.
Set the fsb frequency to 166. Set the memory frequency to Sync or
100%.
Test the system. Gradually increase the fsb frequency and test. If
you go too far it may not boot or lockup in windows. If you can't
boot, power on while holding down the insert key and it will boot up
at safe(slow) settings to allow you to go back into cmos.
I believe default settings for that cpu is 12.5 x 166 which gives
you 2075mhz.
DaveL
"Graham W" <graham@his.com.puter.INVALID> wrote in message
news:438ddc80$0$82649$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...
I've just changed out my motherboard for a so-called
'refurbished' m/b which looks like it is brand new and
could be some companies old stock. It was bought on eBay.
It is a Ver 2.2 and replaces a Ver1.1 board which was going
flaky. On removal I spotted 16 (sixteen!) leaky electrolytics so
no wonder it was feeling poorly!
The new board doesn't seem to want to tell me what it thinks
the CPU is apart from a K7, but it has what I believe is the last
BIOS for that board being shown as: 07/24/2004 nForce
6A61BPAAC -00
Consequently, I am unsure what settings I should be using on the
same Mobile XP-M2500+ CPU in the BIOS. The RAM is TwinMOS
PC3200 - 2 * 256MB.
Is anyone running that CPU and M/B Ver2.2 who can advise their
settings for me as it defaults to a very slow 1GHz system.
Thanks
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Graham W
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: 8RDA+ V2.2 Problem getting settings sorted! |
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DaveL wrote:
| Quote: | You should try 12.5 for the multiplier, just to see if it reports any
better.
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Just tried that and it crashes (freezes) at the boot opening screen.
I think it doesn't like the PCHealth display at the bottom. It freezes
often in the BIOS PCHealth section too!
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| Quote: | Why did you up the vcore? No need to
at this point. It will only make the proc hotter.
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To try to get it past the boot opening screen!
Back to 12* and further looking and thinking.
I'll get the chipset drivers later. (On dial-up here and only get an hour
in
one piece so have to plan things for a quieter period!)
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WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/ Wessex
Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates, Sites & Maps
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