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Rod Speed
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 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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WDsux <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | JAD <jdemma25@eartink.net
concerned about somebody copying data
The first thing(and its REQUIRED) you do is sign a confidence contract.
Uh huh. And we should take Web privacy policies seriously too because
we can trust anything that says privacy or confidence on it.
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In spades if its illegal stuff on the hard drive.
| Quote: | For every one WD drive out there that dies there are thousands
that run for years, if you dont back your data EVERY 5 minutes
Yeah, my last 3 WDs all lasted less than 3 years.
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Pretty smart move not bothering with backups then.
You're clearly killing those drives when most dont get that result.
| Quote: | The more recent the manufacture, the faster it died. Their quality
standards is reflected by them dropping the warranty to 1 year.
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Fraid not. Have fun explaining the 3 year warrantys on the JB drives.
| Quote: | NG is not going to give you exclusive proffesional advice. If its
worth that much you, should be in a lab somewhere not here.
I would like to be. That is why I was here in the first place
- asking for lab recommendations in my area - Minneapolis.
Maybe you have an exclusive, professional contact that
does not use Outlook Express?
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Pointless bothering, you'll find something to object to.
| Quote: | Now back to rubbing my drive with hundred dollar bills.
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All you've got left to do now that you've worn the end off your dick. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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away paying nothing for retrieving your *** pictures/movires.
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Its the illegal ***/movies that its worried about.
Get to jail most likely.
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"JAD" <jdemma25@eartink.net>:
I luv this OE makes you unprofessional bullshit......I'm at home for
christ
sake.
Your being foolish to think that a professional company that makes many
thousands of dollars retrieving data would jeopardize their rep, your
being
extremely paranoid. too bad you weren't that way when it came to losing
data....
Still not a single piece of useful advice. Still top-posting
like you've been on the Internet since WebTV. Congratulations
on the upgrade.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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Hi Hugo,
I note you don't mention that the platter alignment needs to be
maintained. Modern drives have servo information that runs VERTICALLY
thru the platters. Destroy this alignment and you also make the drive
unusable.
Why wouldn't you just swap the head assembly and controller card? If
the platters are bad, what can you recover?
Mike G
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:39:23 -0400, "Hugo Drax"
<Hugodrax@draxindustries.com> wrote:
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"WDsux" <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote in message
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Got a dead 7200 Western Digital drive (9 months old) I want to
get repaired. Just physically repaired. I will do the data
recovery.
Easy. Buy 2 identical drives. Buy a medium sized fishtank (usually 40-60
dollars), 1 set of heavy-duty black neoprene gloves, 1 sheet of Plexiglas
and nonmagnetic screwdrivers (nonmetallic if possible), Damprid sillica gel
packs (the one that changes color), silicone caulking (has to be 100%
silicone) black electrical tape or ducttape,handi wipes (the green or blue
cotton cloth), sticky rat trap. a licensed copy of nortons ghost.
Lay the fishtank on the side and measure the opening, with the measurements
cut a section of Plexiglas that fits snugly across the tank. then with a
drill and cutter, cut 2 circles for the gloves to fit but make sure the hole
is slightly smaller. glue the outer collar flat against the Plexiglas so it
seals and affixes the gloves to the wholes and no air can get through. wipe
the insides and the Plexiglas with isopropyl alcohol and be very careful to
get most of the dust out. clean all tools and place tools,small pliers and a
collection container of choice inside, sticky rat trap and place the damprid
silica gel packs (2 of them) inside, place the two drives (mark the bad one)
inside and seal the box and affix electrical tape around the whole thing.
let the whole thing sit for 5-8 days (allowing the silica gel packs to
absorb moisture, and allowing the residual dust to settle on the sticky rat
trap.
Take apart the bad drive removing all parts and carefully dropping them on
the collection container. try not to stir dust or move quickly. the final
step is removing the platter assembly and placing it aside carefully. Open
the good drive and remove the heads and platter assembly and swap the
original drives assembly into the new drive. reinstall head assembly and
close drive.
With the rigged drive place it as the primary master in your PC, place the
Brand new drive (remember when I said buy 2 new identical drives) as
secondary master. Boot with the Norton ghost Diskette and image the rigged
drive to the new identical drive. And there you have it, a recovered drive.
This is what those 600+ recovery outfits do anyways.
Maxtors/Quantums are easy to do, I am not sure about the WD and how hard
they are.
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Al Dykes
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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In article <78a7kvorqkhcrjlaqmjbf2qd4ckp7vj38m@4ax.com>,
WDsux <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote:
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Thanks, Hugo. Best advice so far. Or, at least, it didn't seem
the standard help desk/kook system-fryer advice.
I'm not concerned about paying somebody to repair it. I'm
concerned about somebody copying data, which is why I want
someone local in a lab that I can monitor. I have Ghost, etc.
for the recovery once the drive is running again.
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The companies that recover data routinely sign non-disclosure
and confidentiality agreeements.
One of my clients used Ontrack (www.ontrack.com) to recover
investor's data, after he forgot to put tapes in his server's
tape drive, for about a month.
| Quote: | The problem in Minneapolis is all the small repair shops seem to
have disappeared and been replaced by a few large companies that
do little more than wrap the drive up and send it away. I can
do that for free and under waranty, so why pay for the same? :)
It's a multi-head, multi-platter drive, so the data I want off
of it is probably still undisturbed.
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Al Dykes
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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In article <trs7kvkt0l75abt9p8qi4s746kc15d47h6@4ax.com>,
WDsux <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "anon" <recyclecomputer@@&hotmail.com>:
A professional is not interested in copying your data for themselves - only
in completing a recovery in a timely professional, confidential manner.
As far as monitoring the service - not likely - I would never let you into
my office/lab.
Uh huh. It's OK if it's in ma & pa's garage. As long as you
know what you're doing and I can monitor through the garage
window. I know all the serious drive experts use Hotmail and
Outlook Express.
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What does "I know all the serious drive experts use Hotmail and
Outlook Express" mean in this context ?
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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Al Dykes <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | WDsux <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote
Thanks, Hugo. Best advice so far. Or, at least, it didn't
seem the standard help desk/kook system-fryer advice.
I'm not concerned about paying somebody to repair it. I'm
concerned about somebody copying data, which is why I want
someone local in a lab that I can monitor. I have Ghost, etc.
for the recovery once the drive is running again.
The companies that recover data routinely sign
non-disclosure and confidentiality agreeements.
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But are unlikely to consider those if they find say child ***.
There's gotta be a reason its that paranoid...
| Quote: | One of my clients used Ontrack (www.ontrack.com)
to recover investor's data, after he forgot to put
tapes in his server's tape drive, for about a month.
The problem in Minneapolis is all the small repair shops seem to
have disappeared and been replaced by a few large companies that
do little more than wrap the drive up and send it away. I can
do that for free and under waranty, so why pay for the same? :)
It's a multi-head, multi-platter drive, so the data I want off
of it is probably still undisturbed. |
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J.Clarke
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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On 21 Aug 2003 00:40:59 -0400
adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <trs7kvkt0l75abt9p8qi4s746kc15d47h6@4ax.com>,
WDsux <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote:
"anon" <recyclecomputer@@&hotmail.com>:
A professional is not interested in copying your data for themselves
- only>in completing a recovery in a timely professional,
confidential manner.>As far as monitoring the service - not likely -
I would never let you into>my office/lab.
Uh huh. It's OK if it's in ma & pa's garage. As long as you
know what you're doing and I can monitor through the garage
window. I know all the serious drive experts use Hotmail and
Outlook Express.
What does "I know all the serious drive experts use Hotmail and
Outlook Express" mean in this context ?
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A variation of the ad hominem fallacy--his correspondent can't be
competent because he uses Hotmail and Outlook Express instead of his
company email and, say, Sylpheed. If one one was billing oneself as an
email expert this might be a valid criticism, however a drive expert is
not necessarily an email expert and most likely uses whatever his boss
puts in front of him for that purpose. And a person who is posting as
himself rather than as a representative of his employer might very well
use a hotmail account rather than the company mail to keep that
distinction clear. Regardless, I've seen both Dennis Ritchie and Steve
Jobs post using Outlook Express, and while neither of them is a "serious
drive expert" both are "serious experts" in other areas of computing.
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in1984
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>:
| Quote: | Al Dykes <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bi1idq$2m3$1@panix3.panix.com...
WDsux <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote
Thanks, Hugo. Best advice so far. Or, at least, it didn't
seem the standard help desk/kook system-fryer advice.
I'm not concerned about paying somebody to repair it. I'm
concerned about somebody copying data, which is why I want
someone local in a lab that I can monitor. I have Ghost, etc.
for the recovery once the drive is running again.
The companies that recover data routinely sign
non-disclosure and confidentiality agreeements.
But are unlikely to consider those if they find say child ***.
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Admission that you/they look at what the recover. The person made it quite
clear that "it" didn't want them doing data recovery, so what would they be
doing looking at the data? The same thing you do outside 10-year old boys'
windows?
| Quote: | There's gotta be a reason its that paranoid...
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Projection.
<http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2003081524623.gif
There's plenty of stuff I wouldn't want other people looking at, especially
peeping toms like you. None of it illegal. Just personal. I'm sure you have
some of the same. Like your home video of taking it up the *** from a
transvestite. For me, I like to write. And I do not want people reading my
stories before they're finished, especially if they have a hard time
distinguishing fiction and reality.
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in1984
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>:
| Quote: | Al Dykes <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bi1idq$2m3$1@panix3.panix.com...
WDsux <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote
Thanks, Hugo. Best advice so far. Or, at least, it didn't
seem the standard help desk/kook system-fryer advice.
I'm not concerned about paying somebody to repair it. I'm
concerned about somebody copying data, which is why I want
someone local in a lab that I can monitor. I have Ghost, etc.
for the recovery once the drive is running again.
The companies that recover data routinely sign
non-disclosure and confidentiality agreeements.
But are unlikely to consider those if they find say child ***.
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Admission that you/they look at what the recover. The person made it quite
clear that "it" didn't want them doing data recovery, so what would they be
doing looking at the data? The same thing you do outside 10-year old boys'
windows?
| Quote: | There's gotta be a reason its that paranoid...
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Projection.
<http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2003081524623.gif
There's plenty of stuff I wouldn't want other people looking at, especially
peeping toms like you. None of it illegal. Just personal. I'm sure you have
some of the same. Like your home video of taking it up the *** from a
transvestite. For me, I like to write. And I do not want people reading my
stories before they're finished, especially if they have a hard time
distinguishing fiction and reality.
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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in1984 <pcoyle@yaf.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Al Dykes <adykes@panix.com> wrote
WDsux <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote
Thanks, Hugo. Best advice so far. Or, at least, it didn't
seem the standard help desk/kook system-fryer advice.
I'm not concerned about paying somebody to repair it. I'm
concerned about somebody copying data, which is why I want
someone local in a lab that I can monitor. I have Ghost, etc.
for the recovery once the drive is running again.
The companies that recover data routinely sign
non-disclosure and confidentiality agreeements.
But are unlikely to consider those if they find say child ***.
Admission that you/they look at what the recover.
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They may not have any choice on that if they
are attempting to do the recovery properly.
| Quote: | The person made it quite clear that "it" didn't want them doing
data recovery, so what would they be doing looking at the data?
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They may not have any choice on that if they
are attempting to do the recovery properly.
Reams of your peurile silly *** flushed where it belongs. |
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in1984
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>:
| Quote: | Al Dykes <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bi1idq$2m3$1@panix3.panix.com...
WDsux <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote
Thanks, Hugo. Best advice so far. Or, at least, it didn't
seem the standard help desk/kook system-fryer advice.
I'm not concerned about paying somebody to repair it. I'm
concerned about somebody copying data, which is why I want
someone local in a lab that I can monitor. I have Ghost, etc.
for the recovery once the drive is running again.
The companies that recover data routinely sign
non-disclosure and confidentiality agreeements.
But are unlikely to consider those if they find say child ***.
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Admission that you/they look at what the recover. The person made it quite
clear that "it" didn't want them doing data recovery, so what would they be
doing looking at the data? The same thing you do outside 10-year old boys'
windows?
| Quote: | There's gotta be a reason its that paranoid...
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Projection.
<http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2003081524623.gif
There's plenty of stuff I wouldn't want other people looking at, especially
peeping toms like you. None of it illegal. Just personal. I'm sure you have
some of the same. Like your home video of taking it up the *** from a
transvestite. For me, I like to write. And I do not want people reading my
stories before they're finished, especially if they have a hard time
distinguishing fiction and reality.
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in1984
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>:
| Quote: | Admission that you/they look at what the recover.
The person made it quite clear that "it" didn't want them doing
data recovery, so what would they be doing looking at the data?
They may not have any choice on that if they
are attempting to do the recovery properly.
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All you/they would be doing is a repair, no recovery. To do that properly,
the drive just needs to be put in a computer to verify it no longer clicks and
gets properly recognized by bios.
Quit making pathetic excuses for your obvious desire to copy and stare at
other people's data. No one should trust you or your advice.
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 12:35 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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in1984 <pcoyle@yaf.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
in1984 <pcoyle@yaf.org> wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Al Dykes <adykes@panix.com> wrote
WDsux <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote
I'm not concerned about paying somebody to repair it.
I'm concerned about somebody copying data, which is why
I want someone local in a lab that I can monitor. I have
Ghost, etc. for the recovery once the drive is running again.
The companies that recover data routinely sign
non-disclosure and confidentiality agreeements.
But are unlikely to consider those if they find say child ***.
Admission that you/they look at what the recover.
They may not have any choice on that if they
are attempting to do the recovery properly.
The person made it quite clear that "it" didn't want them doing
data recovery, so what would they be doing looking at the data?
They may not have any choice on that if they
are attempting to do the recovery properly.
All you/they would be doing is a repair, no recovery.
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Maybe you would care to explain anyone can be sure
that the repair has been effective if you dont even
check to see if the data can be read from the platters.
Yes, my comment should have used the word repair rather
than recovery. Here it is again with the correct word used.
They may not have any choice on that if they
are attempting to do the repair properly.
| Quote: | To do that properly, the drive just needs to
be put in a computer to verify it no longer
clicks and gets properly recognized by bios.
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That aint necessarily repaired properly.
What matters is whether the data can be
retrieved from the platters successfully.
| Quote: | Quit making pathetic excuses for your obvious
desire to copy and stare at other people's data.
No one should trust you or your advice.
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Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
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mchiper
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 2:23 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | All you/they would be doing is a repair, no recovery.
Maybe you would care to explain anyone can be sure
that the repair has been effective if you dont even
check to see if the data can be read from the platters.
Yes, my comment should have used the word repair rather
than recovery. Here it is again with the correct word used.
They may not have any choice on that if they
are attempting to do the repair properly.
To do that properly, the drive just needs to
be put in a computer to verify it no longer
clicks and gets properly recognized by bios.
That aint necessarily repaired properly.
What matters is whether the data can be
retrieved from the platters successfully.
Quit making pathetic excuses for your obvious
desire to copy and stare at other people's data.
No one should trust you or your advice.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament better than that pathetic effort.
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I get it now, Rod.
Your problem is that you have a clue.
He's just needs to keep trying.
********** Please try again **********
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Folkert Rienstra
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"mchiper" <notnuts@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hc7qkv0vv4a8iqq170kcmtubh1b9vd8dk0@4ax.com
| Quote: | "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:
All you/they would be doing is a repair, no recovery.
Maybe you would care to explain anyone can be sure
that the repair has been effective if you dont even
check to see if the data can be read from the platters.
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Which doesn't require you to look at it.
Just running a surface scan should be sufficient.
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Yes, my comment should have used the word repair rather
than recovery. Here it is again with the correct word used.
They may not have any choice on that if they
are attempting to do the repair properly.
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Of course they have a choice.
It all depends on having some powerful recovery software that
can repair damaged sector contents if possible and relocate the
data to a new sector and update OS structures accordingly.
If that isn't possible the recovery software is to produce detailed
reports of what sectors are unrecoverable and in what files they are.
The drive can then be made usable by force-reallocating the bad sectors.
There is no need ever to personally look at files.
And when there is, e.g. to puzzle together lost fragments, the
original user can do that far better than any recovery specialist.
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To do that properly, the drive just needs to
be put in a computer to verify it no longer
clicks and gets properly recognized by bios.
That aint necessarily repaired properly.
What matters is whether the data can be
retrieved from the platters successfully.
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Which only requires successful reads without error.
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Quit making pathetic excuses for your obvious
desire to copy and stare at other people's data.
No one should trust you or your advice.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament better than that pathetic effort.
I get it now, Rod.
Your problem is that you have a clue.
He's just needs to keep trying.
********** Please try again **********
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