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Hugo Drax
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 Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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"WDsux" <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote in message
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Thanks, Hugo. Best advice so far. Or, at least, it didn't seem
the standard help desk/kook system-fryer advice.
I'm not concerned about paying somebody to repair it. I'm
concerned about somebody copying data, which is why I want
someone local in a lab that I can monitor. I have Ghost, etc.
for the recovery once the drive is running again.
The problem in Minneapolis is all the small repair shops seem to
have disappeared and been replaced by a few large companies that
do little more than wrap the drive up and send it away. I can
do that for free and under waranty, so why pay for the same? :)
It's a multi-head, multi-platter drive, so the data I want off
of it is probably still undisturbed.
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Just make sure you image the drive off the rigged drive to the new drive,
the rigged drive is only for recovery purposes not for long term use. |
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J.Clarke
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:32:30 -0500
WDsux <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "anon" <recyclecomputer@@&hotmail.com>:
A professional is not interested in copying your data for themselves
- only in completing a recovery in a timely professional,
confidential manner. As far as monitoring the service - not likely -
I would never let you into my office/lab.
Uh huh. It's OK if it's in ma & pa's garage. As long as you
know what you're doing and I can monitor through the garage
window. I know all the serious drive experts use Hotmail and
Outlook Express.
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Don't laugh too hard, I've seen Dennis Ritchie and Steve Jobs use
Outlook Express. As for hotmail, it's an easy and cheap way to
misdirect SPAM.
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Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
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anon
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 12:34 am Post subject: a proven method to prevent recovery |
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Today's fun exercise.
Let's destroy any chance for data recovery.
Everyone grab a torx screwdriver and open the drive cover. Now simply push
the actuator arm and RW heads out of the way.
Make sure your cat/dog helps out by checking your work. Perhaps your
goldfish could swim if you fill the drive case with water?
Oopps, head arm won't move off the platters you say? Push harder and they
will.
What - you stripped the drive cover screws and now you can't get inside to
the platters? Now Grab a Drill and a sawzall - we'll
get to those platters somehow (seen it).
Now grab a smaller torx and get those screws out so you can remove the
platters. What, the screwdriver slipped and you scrapped across the
entire top platter - no problem ship it off later to someone who does a no
fee evaluation for DR (nope - that wasn't me ...yea right and I like
anchovies on
pizza)
Easy now, almost there, pull off the platters - what a thrill eh. 3 platters
you say? All bright and shiny except for the above scrape - and hmmm what
are those filings?
Next lesson is making artwork with the platters!!!!
C'mon guys(and ladies?) - there maybe someone reading this thread that does
not understand DR and may destroy very valuable data!
"Hugo Drax" <Hugodrax@draxindustries.com> wrote in message
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"Eric Gisin" <ericg@go.to> wrote in message
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You've never taken a drive apart. The platter assembly just doesn't come
out.
Even if it did you won't accomplish anything. There is a defect in the
heads
or platters, and you are still using them.
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Yes they do. there are a few screws in the center of the platter, take
them
off and the platter comes right out, and so does the second one on the
bottom. Its not too difficult, just time consuming and requires a little
care. Maxtors/quantiums are a piece of cake to do. and this is like a
spare
tire, the rigged drive is only meant to image the data on to a new drive,
then destroy rigged drive.
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Folkert Rienstra
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 3:24 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive |
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"anon" <recyclecomputer@@&hotmail.com> wrote in message news:rUM0b.11217$uh6.7407@lakeread05...
| Quote: | Data recovery does not have to cost thousands. Our quote based on your
description would be in the $600 range + the cost of an identical hard
disk drive (or you can provide an identical hard drive).
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A $550 profit. Nice going.
| Quote: | Head crashs are more difficult to overcome.
I have never seen a book that describes data recovery techniques to
overcome a head crash. That process is definitely not a do it yourself
without experience job.
"WDsux" <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote in message news:a446kvogukp4rr7fnf9r8q1uc6v4ailoo8@4ax.com...
Got a dead 7200 Western Digital drive (9 months old) I want to
get repaired. Just physically repaired. I will do the data recovery.
It is not being recognized by the bios and makes
clicking/scratching sounds. Too far gone for software recovery
without the physical problem being repaired.
So, anybody have recommendations for a place I can take this
that will just make it work long enough so I can get my data
back then send the POS back to WD? I do not want them doing
any inspecting or data recovery, and I definitely do not want to
send it off to some lab.
If anyone knows of a trustworthy place near Minneapolis, let me
know. Or, if this is something that can be done at home, let me
know of the book or guide I need.
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WDsux
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 3:32 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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"anon" <recyclecomputer@@&hotmail.com>:
| Quote: | A professional is not interested in copying your data for themselves - only
in completing a recovery in a timely professional, confidential manner.
As far as monitoring the service - not likely - I would never let you into
my office/lab.
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Uh huh. It's OK if it's in ma & pa's garage. As long as you
know what you're doing and I can monitor through the garage
window. I know all the serious drive experts use Hotmail and
Outlook Express. |
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WDsux
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 3:50 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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"JAD" <jdemma25@eartink.net>:
| Quote: | concerned about somebody copying data
The first thing(and its REQUIRED) you do is sign a confidence contract.
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Uh huh. And we should take Web privacy policies seriously too
because we can trust anything that says privacy or confidence on
it.
| Quote: | little straighter....For every one WD drive out there that dies there are
thousands that run for years, if you dont back your data EVERY 5 minutes
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Yeah, my last 3 WDs all lasted less than 3 years. The more
recent the manufacture, the faster it died. Their quality
standards is reflected by them dropping the warranty to 1 year.
| Quote: | NG is not going to give you exclusive proffesional advice. If its worth that
much you, should be in a lab somewhere not here.
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I would like to be. That is why I was here in the first place -
asking for lab recommendations in my area - Minneapolis. Maybe
you have an exclusive, professional contact that does not use
Outlook Express? Now back to rubbing my drive with hundred
dollar bills. |
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JAD
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:32 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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I luv this OE makes you unprofessional bullshit......I'm at home for christ
sake.
Your being foolish to think that a professional company that makes many
thousands of dollars retrieving data would jeopardize their rep, your being
extremely paranoid. too bad you weren't that way when it came to losing
data....
"WDsux" <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "JAD" <jdemma25@eartink.net>:
concerned about somebody copying data
The first thing(and its REQUIRED) you do is sign a confidence
contract.
Uh huh. And we should take Web privacy policies seriously too
because we can trust anything that says privacy or confidence on
it.
little straighter....For every one WD drive out there that dies there are
thousands that run for years, if you dont back your data EVERY 5 minutes
Yeah, my last 3 WDs all lasted less than 3 years. The more
recent the manufacture, the faster it died. Their quality
standards is reflected by them dropping the warranty to 1 year.
NG is not going to give you exclusive proffesional advice. If its worth
that
much you, should be in a lab somewhere not here.
I would like to be. That is why I was here in the first place -
asking for lab recommendations in my area - Minneapolis. Maybe
you have an exclusive, professional contact that does not use
Outlook Express? Now back to rubbing my drive with hundred
dollar bills.
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JAD
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:34 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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your more concerned with whether or not somebodys email addy and software
stacks up......endoura is used in many prisons...perhaps you can wait for a
reply from them.....
"WDsux" <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "anon" <recyclecomputer@@&hotmail.com>:
A professional is not interested in copying your data for themselves -
only
in completing a recovery in a timely professional, confidential manner.
As far as monitoring the service - not likely - I would never let you
into
my office/lab.
Uh huh. It's OK if it's in ma & pa's garage. As long as you
know what you're doing and I can monitor through the garage
window. I know all the serious drive experts use Hotmail and
Outlook Express.
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anon
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:43 am Post subject: good point |
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I agree totally - that would eliminate some spam.
Bottom line, the base mail washer system is using hotmail and yahoo
accounts - when they overfill with B.S their servers wipe the crap out.
but .... hmmmmm too busy using some gook to clean out pa's engine to care
about DR at the moment!
btw no peeking through the garage window - I might be playing with ma or her
young cousin!
really give it a break and get real!
"WDsux" <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "anon" <recyclecomputer@@&hotmail.com>:
A professional is not interested in copying your data for themselves -
only
in completing a recovery in a timely professional, confidential manner.
As far as monitoring the service - not likely - I would never let you
into
my office/lab.
Uh huh. It's OK if it's in ma & pa's garage. As long as you
know what you're doing and I can monitor through the garage
window. I know all the serious drive experts use Hotmail and
Outlook Express.
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WDsux
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 6:22 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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"JAD" <jdemma25@eartink.net>:
| Quote: | I luv this OE makes you unprofessional bullshit......I'm at home for christ
sake.
Your being foolish to think that a professional company that makes many
thousands of dollars retrieving data would jeopardize their rep, your being
extremely paranoid. too bad you weren't that way when it came to losing
data....
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Still not a single piece of useful advice. Still top-posting
like you've been on the Internet since WebTV. Congratulations
on the upgrade. |
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JAD
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 6:38 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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I told you already but you refuse, you think your gonna get away paying
nothing for retrieving your *** pictures/movires. Get to a lab
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"WDsux" <root@webchat.binarybiz.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "JAD" <jdemma25@eartink.net>:
I luv this OE makes you unprofessional bullshit......I'm at home for
christ
sake.
Your being foolish to think that a professional company that makes many
thousands of dollars retrieving data would jeopardize their rep, your
being
extremely paranoid. too bad you weren't that way when it came to losing
data....
Still not a single piece of useful advice. Still top-posting
like you've been on the Internet since WebTV. Congratulations
on the upgrade.
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Eric Gisin
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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*** TROLL ALERT ! ***
Ignore all the good advice and take the advice of biggest kook that replies.
On top of that, attack people based on their newsreader and posting style.
Don't expect any more advice from the people who know hard drives.
"WDsux" <abuse@westerndigital.com> wrote in message
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| Thanks, Hugo. Best advice so far. Or, at least, it didn't seem
| the standard help desk/kook system-fryer advice.
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| I'm not concerned about paying somebody to repair it. I'm
| concerned about somebody copying data, which is why I want
| someone local in a lab that I can monitor. I have Ghost, etc.
| for the recovery once the drive is running again.
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| The problem in Minneapolis is all the small repair shops seem to
| have disappeared and been replaced by a few large companies that
| do little more than wrap the drive up and send it away. I can
| do that for free and under waranty, so why pay for the same? 
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| It's a multi-head, multi-platter drive, so the data I want off
| of it is probably still undisturbed.
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kony
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:17 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:16:43 -0500, WDsux <abuse@westerndigital.com>
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Thanks, Hugo. Best advice so far. Or, at least, it didn't seem
the standard help desk/kook system-fryer advice.
I'm not concerned about paying somebody to repair it. I'm
concerned about somebody copying data, which is why I want
someone local in a lab that I can monitor. I have Ghost, etc.
for the recovery once the drive is running again.
The problem in Minneapolis is all the small repair shops seem to
have disappeared and been replaced by a few large companies that
do little more than wrap the drive up and send it away. I can
do that for free and under waranty, so why pay for the same? :)
It's a multi-head, multi-platter drive, so the data I want off
of it is probably still undisturbed.
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You seem a bit uninformed about data recovery...
If it's really worth recovery, you should NOT be looking for "small
repair shops". That's about the best way possible to screw up the
drive so it's unrecoverable to anyone. Likewise it's a bad idea to
throw it in the freezer or build a fish-tank gizmo.
Contact a professional, first, who won't care what's on the drive and
can be trusted to handle your data. These professionals will likely
tell you to "go away" if you try to supervise them, you are not in a
position to make demands like "monitoring" their work.
THEY will copy off your data then you can dispose of the drive, since
WD will not, should not, take a drive back after it's been altered.
It's unfortunate that your drive failed but taking a handle like
"WDsux" is uncalled for... If you've been around for a while you know
that WD drives are quite reliable, with the exception of a series back
in '97. Of course it goes without saying what you should've done to
the data just in case you might encounter a drive failure...
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Zakalwe
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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I love your definition of 'easy'... I would be happy to pay someone ~$600 to
go through that procedure. Think of the $600 as your karmic burden for not
backing up!
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jaeger
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Physical repair for IDE harddrive (proven home physical |
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In article <1088kvkkar5epb9dgsfd44jdfc3agvhgrp@4ax.com>,
root@webchat.binarybiz.com says...
| Quote: | Still not a single piece of useful advice. Still top-posting
like you've been on the Internet since WebTV. Congratulations
on the upgrade.
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You already got the correct answer, which is that only a professional
recovery service has any shot. So stop whining and stop posting. |
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