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 Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 1:16 pm Post subject: Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? |
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Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? I know once upon a time, back
in Apple II days, you could put RAM on a card and get more that way.
Granted, the PCMCIA thing would be half system bus speed, but it would
likely be much faster than the *** swap file on the HDD, no?
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? |
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I believe PCMCIA is a memory bus that has been hacked to do other things.
One big problem, though.
Back in 1992, when the slot came out, the memory bus was 16 bits wide, just
like PCMCIA. Now it's more like 64 bits wide.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:10 am Post subject: Re: Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? |
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I've seen 5G HDrives on a pcmicia card, believe it or not, but havent really
seen RAM yet (which makes much more sense to have in a card than HD's, come
to think of it).
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| Quote: | Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? I know once upon a time, back
in Apple II days, you could put RAM on a card and get more that way.
Granted, the PCMCIA thing would be half system bus speed, but it would
likely be much faster than the *** swap file on the HDD, no? |
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Joe Pfeiffer
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? |
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see.my.sig.4.addr@nowhere.com.invalid writes:
| Quote: | Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? I know once upon a time, back
in Apple II days, you could put RAM on a card and get more that way.
Granted, the PCMCIA thing would be half system bus speed, but it would
likely be much faster than the *** swap file on the HDD, no?
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It would be slow, since it would be a whole lot slower than your
memory bus speed (IIRC PCMCIA is basically EISA and PCCARD is
basically PCI, but that looks fishy when I write it...). It would be
expensive, since PCMCIA packaging is a lot more expensive than the
little PC boards memory modules come on. So you could spend more
money for slower memory... which pretty much sums up why there isn't
enough of a market for anybody to offer it.
It would be faster than HDD, of course...
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 4:46 am Post subject: Re: Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? |
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It would me much less than half the speed. Try a hundred times slower then
you get the idea why no one makes them anymore.
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| Quote: | I've seen 5G HDrives on a pcmicia card, believe it or not, but havent
really
seen RAM yet (which makes much more sense to have in a card than HD's,
come
to think of it).
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Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? I know once upon a time,
back
in Apple II days, you could put RAM on a card and get more that way.
Granted, the PCMCIA thing would be half system bus speed, but it would
likely be much faster than the *** swap file on the HDD, no?
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? |
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Yes, they used to exist, but they no longer do, at least not commonly.
Toshiba and IBM both used them in 386/486 days. But the problem is that
a PC Card (the correct term, you should stop using "PCMCIA") is either
an ISA card, or if it's a "Cardbus" card, it's a PCI card. And both are
too slow for main memory in a modern computer.
see.my.sig.4.addr@nowhere.com.invalid wrote:
| Quote: | Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? I know once upon a time, back
in Apple II days, you could put RAM on a card and get more that way.
Granted, the PCMCIA thing would be half system bus speed, but it would
likely be much faster than the *** swap file on the HDD, no?
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Crispin Bishop
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? |
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ER, No it isnt!!
A PC Cardbus card (formerly called PCMCIA) is NOT a PCI Card or ISA Card.
the PC card originally refered to is a Type I or Type II CardBus card which
are usually found on Notebook PC's.
Normally with two slots, on the left of the notebook, and are used for
things like NIC's, wireless network cards, Bluetooth, USB2 & firewire cards
etc etc
A Cardbus card is DEFINATELY not a PCI card
PCMCIA actually stands for Personal Computer Memory Card International
Association and at first they were used for memory expansion. Back in the
day, my brand new amiga 600 had one and 1MB & 2MB memory expasions were
available.
Sadly though they are not used for memory expansion anymore due to Bus
speeds and the fact that memory is very cheap at the moment so it would not
be cost effective to use for memory expansion as replacing the notebooks
system ram with larger "sticks" is so cheap. (And don't tell me that you
can't do this, I build & repair notebooks as part of my job!!)
"Barry Watzman" <Watzman@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Yes, they used to exist, but they no longer do, at least not commonly.
Toshiba and IBM both used them in 386/486 days. But the problem is that
a PC Card (the correct term, you should stop using "PCMCIA") is either
an ISA card, or if it's a "Cardbus" card, it's a PCI card. And both are
too slow for main memory in a modern computer.
see.my.sig.4.addr@nowhere.com.invalid wrote:
Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? I know once upon a time,
back
in Apple II days, you could put RAM on a card and get more that way.
Granted, the PCMCIA thing would be half system bus speed, but it would
likely be much faster than the *** swap file on the HDD, no?
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Barry Watzman
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? |
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The correct terminology is "PC Card", for ALL "PC Cards", both 16-bit
(which have no special name) and 32-Bit (which are "Cardbus" cards).
PCMCIA is the name of the organization that originally developed the
standard back in the 1990's. They begain trying to get people to stop
using the name "PCMCIA" to refer to the cards (EITHER the 16-bit or the
32-bit cards) back around 1995. You can verify at their website
(www.pcmcia.org) that in their veiw, "PCMCIA" should no longer be used
to refer to any "PC Cards", regardless of bus width. It's the name of
the organization, not the cards.
Crispin Bishop wrote:
| Quote: | ER, No it isnt!!
A PC Cardbus card (formerly called PCMCIA) is NOT a PCI Card or ISA Card.
the PC card originally refered to is a Type I or Type II CardBus card which
are usually found on Notebook PC's.
Normally with two slots, on the left of the notebook, and are used for
things like NIC's, wireless network cards, Bluetooth, USB2 & firewire cards
etc etc
A Cardbus card is DEFINATELY not a PCI card
PCMCIA actually stands for Personal Computer Memory Card International
Association and at first they were used for memory expansion. Back in the
day, my brand new amiga 600 had one and 1MB & 2MB memory expasions were
available.
Sadly though they are not used for memory expansion anymore due to Bus
speeds and the fact that memory is very cheap at the moment so it would not
be cost effective to use for memory expansion as replacing the notebooks
system ram with larger "sticks" is so cheap. (And don't tell me that you
can't do this, I build & repair notebooks as part of my job!!)
"Barry Watzman" <Watzman@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:v2h0b.113213$ib2.24227153@twister.neo.rr.com...
Yes, they used to exist, but they no longer do, at least not commonly.
Toshiba and IBM both used them in 386/486 days. But the problem is that
a PC Card (the correct term, you should stop using "PCMCIA") is either
an ISA card, or if it's a "Cardbus" card, it's a PCI card. And both are
too slow for main memory in a modern computer.
see.my.sig.4.addr@nowhere.com.invalid wrote:
Is there such a thing as a PCMCIA RAM card? I know once upon a time,
back
in Apple II days, you could put RAM on a card and get more that way.
Granted, the PCMCIA thing would be half system bus speed, but it would
likely be much faster than the *** swap file on the HDD, no?
--
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For email response, or CC, please mailto:see.my.sig.4.addr@bigfoot.com.
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